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To: little jeremiah

The “drug” I’m on tells me that God loves all of us, in spite of the fact that we all sin, and to judge others only insofar as we are willing to be judged.


1,483 posted on 12/19/2010 5:32:26 PM PST by andy58-in-nh (America does not need to be organized: it needs to be liberated.)
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To: andy58-in-nh
... God loves all of us, in spite of the fact that we all sin, and to judge others only insofar as we are willing to be judged.

Bah! More liberal claptrap. /s

Get with the program, man. We must all bow to the Lords of the Flies.

1,496 posted on 12/19/2010 5:53:23 PM PST by don-o (Wait. What?)
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To: andy58-in-nh
God loves all of us, in spite of the fact that we all sin, and to judge others only insofar as we are willing to be judged.

blah, blah, blah, blah

Not all sins are created equal. Some are classified as "an abomination" and sins against nature, including the homosexuality perversion.

1,499 posted on 12/19/2010 5:55:41 PM PST by vox_freedom (America is being tested as never before in its history. May God help us.)
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To: andy58-in-nh; little jeremiah
The “drug” I’m on tells me that God loves all of us,

Psalms 7:11  God judgeth the righteous, and
God is angry with the wicked every day.

1,501 posted on 12/19/2010 5:58:15 PM PST by Bodleian_Girl (Isaiah 59:1  Behold, the LORD'S hand is not shortened)
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To: andy58-in-nh

God loves every soul - but He certainly doesn’t love everything people say, do, think and believe! I’m perfectly willing to be judged according to the tenets of all scriptures. I may sin - of course I am not pure - but I do not practice sodomy, abortion, slander, illicit sex, drunkenness, public lewdness, and so on. Everyone isn’t equal! Everyone is not the same! Some sins are worse! Some people are repenting and chaning their ways! Some people are diving into the abyss! Some people are teaching and encouraging others to dive into the abyss with them!

Can’t you think????


1,507 posted on 12/19/2010 6:04:39 PM PST by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point.CSLewis)
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To: andy58-in-nh
The “drug” I’m on tells me that God loves all of us, in spite of the fact that we all sin, and to judge others only insofar as we are willing to be judged.

Jesus repeatedly taught men to judge rightly, insisting they "judge with righteous judgment" (John 7:24) and He praised a man who "rightly judged" (Luke 7:43). Paul shamed the Corinthian Christians because there was no one among them willing to "judge the smallest matters" (1 Cor. 6:2). As the Apostle wrote, "He who is spiritual judges all things" for "we have the mind of Christ" (1Cor. 2:15-16).

The notion that judgment is wrong is a ludicrous one. Should child-molesters escape condemnation? Should rapists be free from criticism? Should society refrain from judging those arrested for murder? Should we call evil good? Or would that be a judgment too?

"Judge not" is the prayer of those who want to hide light under a basket. The cliché describes salt which has lost its flavor, which no longer seasons or preserves. Those seduced by this terrible lie are taken out of the game. As spectators on the sidelines, they only watch the spiritual battle. But they are in a comfort zone. Apathy is the craving. "Judge not" is the mantra for shirking responsibility.

Borrowing characters from C. S. Lewis, imagine this dialogue between a junior demon named Wormwood and his wicked uncle Screwtape. This fiendish exchange could have occurred a century ago.

Wormwood: Believers have so many weapons at their disposal. It is difficult to neutralize them. It takes a huge effort just to slow the work of a single Christian.

Screwtape: Your one-on-one approach is inefficient. This is the age of Madison Avenue and mass marketing. If you can undermine their whole group at once, then you’ve accomplished something.

Wormwood: Unfortunately, I’m not highly productive. In the time it takes me to frustrate one believer, I could be tempting a dozen heathens.

Screwtape: Don’t lose heart, Wormwood. We are implementing a plan to impair the whole Church with a single ploy.

Wormwood: I don’t see how that will be possible. The Christians that I’ve seen are dedicated to warning others about hell. It’s all I can do just to get one of them distracted for a short time.

Screwtape: We are going to use their Leader’s own words.

Wormwood: No! Please don’t. Don’t even joke about using His words. I can’t take it.

Screwtape: If you’re ever going to grow up to be an effective demon, you’re going to have to learn to use the Enemy’s words against Him.

Wormwood: It just seems so dangerous. Which words are you going to use?

Screwtape: "Judge not!"

Wormwood: I don’t understand why He would tell them not to judge. That’s confusing. He commanded His followers to rebuke, admonish and judge hundreds of times in His Book. And that’s what they’re out there doing. And I might add, it’s causing me no end of grief.

Screwtape: When their Leader said those words, He was speaking to hypocrites. "Judge not… you hypocrite," as He said later in the same paragraph.

Wormwood: Yeah, but how are we going to use "Judge not" to neutralize the whole Church?

Screwtape: We are going to get them to ignore the fact that He was talking to hypocrites. He said that hypocrites should not judge, at least not until they stop doing the wrong deed themselves. But we are going to make them think that none of them should judge.

Wormwood: That’s brilliant… if you can pull it off, that is. I mean, if we can get them to stop judging, then they won’t rebuke the wicked. And they won’t be able to admonish those who are sexually immoral.

Screwtape: It is even more brilliant than you realize. If we can seduce Christians into following the instructions for hypocrites, we will turn them into hypocrites. It’s like government workers who follow foolish rules so precisely they are transformed from human beings into bureaucrats; drones who mindlessly dispense red tape regardless of the misfortune they cause. The slave who willingly obeys his master, begins to conform to the master. If believers willingly submit to an instruction for hypocrites, they will conform to hypocrisy. Eventually, with a little evil luck, we might stop them from confronting unbelievers altogether because, as you know Wormwood, to confront requires judging. And if they don’t judge unbelievers, they are hypocrites, professing the Gospel but denying its power.

Wormwood: Ha, ha. I’m excited. When do we start?

Screwtape: Everything is underway already. Just do your part.

Wormwood: And that is…?

Screwtape: Make sure your targets read as little of the Book as possible. Don’t get too worried if they stick to their favorite twenty cliché verses. But make sure they remain ignorant of most of the Word.

Wormwood: Master, you are brilliant.

Screwtape: You can call me Master if you want, but don’t let the boss hear you.

A lie paralyzed the Church. To abhor evil, someone must first judge evil. God instructs men against "hypocrisy" commanding them to "abhor what is evil" (Rom. 12:9). Thus, unable to judge, and unaccustomed to abhorrence, Christians en masse become hypocrites when they obey the Hypocrites Golden Rule. For "judge not" (Mat. 7:1-5) is simply a hypocrites application of do unto others as you would have them do unto you (Mat. 7:12). "For with what judgment you judge, you will be judged" (Mat. 7:2). Judge others as you would have them do unto you inverted is Judge not if you do not want to be judged. Therefore the hypocrite does not judge. As Jesus said, "Judge not… you hypocrite" (Mat. 7:1, 5 KJV; Ezek. 16:52).

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credits: Denver Baptist Church

1,590 posted on 12/19/2010 9:27:07 PM PST by LowOiL (War Damn Eagle ! Playing for the National Championship game this year. Jan 10th)
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