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To: butterdezillion
Hawaii has no legally valid birth certificate for Obama. That is a fact.

If this is true, then it would have been found out at trial. Why would this man plead guilty if the government had no proof?

In legal circles, defendants are advised to cop plea deals when their lawyers know for a fact that the government has an airtight case against them. In those situations, the defendant is going to either be found guilty and face a long sentence, or plead guilty to lesser charges, or some of the charges, and face a lighter sentence. The only difference though is that plea deals do not allow for appeals, whereas a conviction does.

All these court cases show us is how corrupt the system is.

How? No one held a gun to this man's head and forced him to state for the record that the government was correct, and that he deserves to be punished for the charge to which he pleaded guilty.

93 posted on 12/14/2010 11:30:09 AM PST by pnh102 (Regarding liberalism, always attribute to malice what you think can be explained by stupidity. - Me)
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To: pnh102

The judge won’t allow Obama’s Constitutional status to be addressed. That is the whole point. She said it is IRRELEVANT whether there was a valid presidential order authorizing the use of force.

And then because she said the authorization was IRRELEVANT she won’t allow any evidence about that into the proceedings. Lakin could actually have Obama’s BC in his hand, proving that Obama was not born in Hawaii and isn’t old enough to be POTUS, or anything else - and Judge Lind WOULD NOT ALLOW IT TO BE ENTERED AS EVIDENCE. She says it is irrelevant.

Take that to its logical conclusion. Brigade commanders could issue combat troops to Iran, and it wouldn’t matter whether there was a valid Presidential order authorizing it (as required for the “use of force” in SJ Res 23) or not. Brigade commanders have authority to invade other countries without authorization from the President or Congress (which delegated their authority specifically to “the President” alone for the war on terrorism).

That is why this is such an emotional issue for a lot of us. This precedent would totally undo the command structure of the military, if brigade commanders can decide, on their own, to invade a foreign country when the law only allows “the President” to do that.


106 posted on 12/14/2010 11:40:36 AM PST by butterdezillion
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