er...the initial sighting was reported as below...insinuating that the helicopter crew didn't know where they were in congested LAX airpspace in the days of GPS in all aircraft and constant contact with ATC?
Posted on 12/12/2010 10:47:16 AM PST by Brian Kopp DPM
In the bolded part he is speaking of Rick Warren's pics in contrailscience's animation. Obviously he isn't too sure of the fit with his video. But what he says about his video is very clear. As for that sat pic animation I have seen it numerous times and I still don't see any plume or contrail in it.
Not even an attempt to answer the question I asked. I’ll try again...what is the course of the object in the picture you provided. Any guesses?
“Oh, now you want 8 - 10 minutes...”
I think folks on both sides want 8-10 minites of video!! Seems like it would solve all the questions. C’mon KCBS!
Freegards
That's quite different from what I was being asked or what we were discussing though.
You mean those two cartoon pictures? It’s not clear there even is an object in those pictures. Further back on the thread it was argued that there isn’t. You sure like to waste time going in circles.
“I agree 100% that KCBS should release every second of tape they have uncut and unedited.”
I know.
“That’s quite different from what I was being asked or what we were discussing though.”
That is true, I didn’t mean it as applying to your point.
As someone who thinks it was a missile, why do you think we haven’t seen “the whole video”?
Freegards
You are either schizophrenic or suffering from extreme amnesia. Either way, I'm giving you credit for having a brain. Merry Christmas. And here is a link to your post where you introduced the "cartoon" picture as evidence in defense of your died-a-million-deaths-in-this-thread-alone theory. Your post #276
You stated you believe the object is moving sideways faster than it's moving foward. What course is it flying?
Delta 2 STSS Demo Rocket Launch - SpaceflightNews.net
This video doesn't show the contrail after the vehicle is gone for 8 - 10 minutes, as Leyvas put it, but it does show a few similar things.
It takes almost four minutes to fly out of sight. It begins with a very thick plume which diminishes to near invisibility even though it is under power the entire time. The audio picks up no sonic boom even though the cameraman is almost directly under it. The flame of the rocket motor is obscured much of the time. Its flight describes an arc even though it is being launched into orbit.
Yeah, sure.
And here is a link to your post where you introduced the "cartoon" picture as evidence in defense of your died-a-million-deaths-in-this-thread-alone theory. Your post #276
Neither schizophrenia nor amnesia explain your statement there. I posted that pic to show time stamps for the time the plume ceased and correlated that with the altitude of the plane as confirmed by FlightAware. Or "persistent" plume for those anal retentive types who make an issue of the distinction between that and the immediately dissipating plume later in the video. (Not you.)
Maybe amnesia would explain it if you don't recall now that that was the point I was making. It wasn't a theory it was a rebuttal of a theory with indisputable facts. Unless the time stamps on that monorail pic aren't factual. Or amnesia could explain why I don't recall that you ever addressed that point with an actual rebuttal other than "who said anything about altitude, dood?" :-)
As someone who thinks it's a missile I have no answer to that because the question bears no relation to my opinion on what it was. As an ordinary person and a FReeper I think it's because they can glean no further monetary gain by releasing it. Beyond that speculations on their motives become increasingly weak made by anyone who doesn't work at that station.
If what it was were relevant to their releasing it why would they hold it back if it clearly shows it to be an airplane? They went along with the airplane contrail theory after a few days like every other news station.
er...the initial sighting was reported as below...insinuating that the helicopter crew didn't know where they were in congested LAX airpspace in the days of GPS in all aircraft and constant contact with ATC?
Yep. Those who deceive knowingly (as opposed to those who those who are just gullible and vulnerable to flattery) do so by design to distract and obfuscate. As Justa-hairyape says, the only images that matter are those in the Leyvas video; the lighting conveys the information that the object was headed northwest.
Therefore, all of the hundreds of hours of manpower in assembling the hundreds of photos from other sources, the hundreds of configurations and calculations and overlays and gimmicks to "prove" it was from an eastbound airliner --
-- they're all just a carnival side-show.
I had never heard of chemtrails before this story came along. After finding out enough to know they were nutters I wondered who could be nuttier than they were. The answer was obvious. Someone who sets up a fancy website and devotes his life to debunk chemtrails. lol
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Yes, it is amazing that they think a news photographer who has spent 11 years in the same city flying in the news chopper could have his directions so confused as to be off by an entire 90 degrees compass heading.
Hi old buddy!
WND has never been trustworthy as a news source.
The A/C didn't "separate from the plume". It passed from a long region of ice-crystal persistence into another air domain wherein the contrail still formed, (water droplets) but dissipated rapidly.
IMHO, Leyvas tries to be a good witness, but he apparently lacks the verbal facility to adequately describe what he saw.
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FYI, I have a graphic under construction showing that "detached" short, red 'plume' from the above video -- and an identical example from Warren's stills. They were obviously recording the same object at the same moment...
Please talk me out of the ‘spiral pattern’. No one has even tried yet. Commercial jets don’t fly in spiral patterns, so I suppose the earth spun in a spiral orbit just to humiliate WND. It’s Mother Earth seeking to conspire against religious conservatives to promote global warming? Why did the earth create this hoax?
World Net Daily fabricates ... ?
OK, where’s the WND hoax? They edited out something you wrote, and you had a hissy — is this slander or did they HONESTLY fabricate something? I read the article. Maybe you don’t like their slant. But they clearly portrayed controversy just as you wrote above. Commercial jets don’t fly in corkscrew patterns.
I don’t blame you for mistrusting CBS during Sweeps, but I’m basing “corkscrew pattern” on the image shown by Rick Warren, Mr. “Commercial Jet that Flies funny.”
WND is an amazing news site, and I’ll need more than your word that they FABRICATED something.
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