Posted on 12/06/2010 1:31:07 PM PST by FS11
Since several major Internet companies cut off services to WikiLeaks in recent days, activists have created hundreds of mirror sites, Web sites that host exact copies of another site’s content, making censorship difficult.
The collective Anonymous, an informal but notorious group of hackers and activists, also declared war on Sunday against enemies of Mr. Assange, calling on supporters to attack sites companies that do not support WikiLeaks and to spread the leaked material online.
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“The collective Anonymous, an informal but notorious group of hackers and activists”
Nyt sprechen ze bullcrappen.
Lots of info connecting BO to WikiLeaks here:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2637720/posts
There is also info connecting BO to Annonymous here:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2637720/posts
Ironically and sadly their actions will precipitate the end of a free internet.
They have miscaluclated that the power of the internet is stronger than that of government. If necessary, regardless of the cost, government will "reboot" the entire internet. The alternative will be for them to give up power. They will not do that.
They may not have a choice. The Holy Roman Church in 1520 tried to stamp out Martin Luther and his heretical ideas. And it was more powerful and had a greater reach than did any government does today.
I reviewed that post. I saw no definitive evidence connecting Obamao to Wikileaks. Where’s your evidence for that assertion?
This is starting to look like Lisbeth Salander.
Never let a crisis go to waste.
These starfish oganizations are very difficult to stop once they get started.
About 1/2 of this book is pretty interesting.
You don’t seem to understand the difference between “investigate” and “indict.”
Yes, a grand jury can investigate based on tips, rumors, or personal knowledge, but there must be convincing evidence that a crime was committed before a grand jury will actually indict (i.e. charge or accuse) someone.
I see no evidence connecting Obamao to Wikileaks in what you provided that would warrant a grand jury investigation, much less prompt an indictment.
You don’t seem to understand the difference between “investigate” and “indict.”
Yes, a grand jury can investigate based on tips, rumors, or personal knowledge, but there must be convincing evidence that a crime was committed before a grand jury will actually indict (i.e. charge or accuse) someone.
I see no evidence connecting Obamao to Wikileaks in what you provided that would warrant a grand jury investigation, much less prompt an indictment.
The Holy Roman Church lost control because the governments of the day saw the advent of Protestantism and their own embrace of it as an opportunity to wrest power from the Church. Thus the monolithic control of the Church was forever fractured.
...his heretical ideas
Ideas don't require government permission to be held in the mind and heart.
What is being attempted here is the implementation of the use of a tool, the internet, that is ultimately controlled by governments and to conduct activity that those governments see as life threatening to them. If Assange and Anonymous are allowed to get away with it, the very foundation of the power of those governments dissolves. They will not allow that.
He has declared war on every government in the world simultaneously. All governments will ultimately see this and cooperate to extinguish Assange and his effort. They will first try to modify the current internet to mitigate the cost of a total restart. This will include draconian controls, monitoring, user cost and regulation. It will never be the free flowing communication vehicle of today.
If that fails, they will extinguish the internet, as we know it, shut it down, disconnect it, regardless of the cost. Then they will reconstitute it in a totally different and controlled format, different hardware, software, code, architecture, everything. It will be rebuilt so that nothing like this will ever be able to happen again.
The alternative to this is to abdicate control of their nation. They will never do that, regardless of the cost.
After the successful Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor in December of 1941, Japanese Admiral Isoroku Yamamoto, rather than rejoice is reported to have said, "I fear all we have done is to awaken a sleeping giant and fill him with a terrible resolve."
I think this is also the result of Assange's actions. Future generations will look back and lament this as the beginning of the end to internet freedom.
You haven’t a clue about the law, the Burden of Proof before a Grand Jury or the information required for an indictment.
http://standupamericaus.com/our-privilege-our-right-and-our-duty-civilian-grand-jury:33320
This is starting to look like Lisbeth Salander.
Hmm...well, Assange was accused of raping a Swedish gal...now Globalists want to tattoo and do some dragging on Assange
I see it exactly the opposite. I see it as the long-awaited and long-needed beginning of the rollback of government encroachment against freedom.
They cannot stop it no more than could Pope Leo X stop Martin Luther.
Oh, they’ll try, but they will fail. I would bet my life on it.
Because that’s what’s at stake.
I appreciate your enthusiasm and the longing of your heart.
I think I have laid out a pretty powerful rationale as to why this cannot happen regardless of your wishes or mine.
Rather than just wish for this kind of utopian result, can you lay out a scenario by which this can happen?
When governments have ultimate control of the entire system, to change it, kill it or restart it, at their choice, why would they allow this cancer upon their life to exist?
If the people react at all (they'll bitch and moan and do nothing) What possible meaningful action could they take to force governments to acquiesce?
They cannot stop it no more than could Pope Leo X stop Martin Luther.
You can not continue to attempt to use the start of the Reformation as an analogous situation. There is simply no comparison to an idea held in the mind and the use of a tool every part of which is controlled by the government opposed to it's being used in this way.
I would bet my life on it.
If you're serious, sadly, you will lose it.
There are so many ways a real impact can be made on behalf of liberty. Standing in front of the tank in Tianamen Square only works the first time.
Apparently, I know a great deal more than you since you don’t understand the difference between “investigate” and “indict.”
The “American Grand Jury” stuff is pure horsesh*t. A grand jury must be empaneled by law before it has the power of presentment. Civilians running around forming grand juries on their own and handing down indictments are as dangerous to our civil liberties as would be civilians forming juries on their own and handing down judgments.
Apparently, I know a great deal more than you since you don’t understand the difference between “investigate” and “indict.”
The “American Grand Jury” stuff is pure horsesh*t. A grand jury must be empaneled by law before it has the power of presentment. Civilians running around forming grand juries on their own and handing down indictments are as dangerous to our civil liberties as would be civilians forming juries on their own and handing down judgments.
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