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To: usnavy_cop_retired; Gondring
Barry was born a subject to the crown of her majesty the Queen of England. By birthright, inherited from his foreign father.

From his very own campaign web site:
"Barack Obama Sr. was a British subject whose citizenship status was governed by The British Nationality Act of 1948. That same act governed the status of Obama Sr.‘s children."

From factcheck.org:
"In other words, at the time of his birth, Barack Obama Jr. was both a U.S. citizen (by virtue of being born in Hawaii)* and a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies (or the UKC) by virtue of being born to a father who was a citizen of the UKC."

Even assuming birth in HI (yet to be proven), at best he was born a dual citizen. Owing allegiance, at birth, to TWO countries.

He never was at birth, nor is now, a "Natural Born Citizen" of the U.S.

He's a usuper. That's why this issue hasn't gone away like so many wished it had.

52 posted on 12/02/2010 4:44:16 PM PST by rxsid (HOW CAN A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN'S STATUS BE "GOVERNED" BY GREAT BRITAIN? - Leo Donofrio (2009))
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To: rxsid

https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&pid=explorer&chrome=true&srcid=1A5_p0JZYidJXrOQVi1FJiVWIf4JTG8sUwE6NtBl2H8QCSyFpZre-uAh8ePLT&hl=en


55 posted on 12/02/2010 5:30:54 PM PST by bushpilot1
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To: rxsid

http://www.archive.org/stream/andrewjacksonthe001242mbp#page/n395/mode/2up/search/Vattel


56 posted on 12/02/2010 6:14:35 PM PST by bushpilot1
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To: rxsid
Citizenship is obtained via naturalization. Those who don't need to be "naturalized" are those who are already "natural-born" citizens (why would you need to be "naturalized" if you're already "natural" from birth).

You're right that Barack Obama didn't need to be naturalized--i.e., that he was natural-born an American citizen.

As you point out, at birth, the UK was a potential citizenship option, but that soon went away with Kenyan independence. And since his birthright to American citizenship couldn't be taken from his minority, it was up to him at majority to decide whether to forsake it. I don't know of any evidence of him forsaking his status as a natural-born citizen or taking the loyalty oath required to become a Kenyan citizen.

So...you then come up with this non sequitur...

He never was at birth, nor is now, a "Natural Born Citizen" of the U.S.

Actually, as nicely laid out from your own evidence, he was a US Natural Born Citizen unless he chose to renounce that status.

Maybe you're mixing up with "native-born"...you wouldn't be the first. Later editions of Emer de Vattel's The Law of Nations translated into English even made this mistake. Some folks have thought the version the Founding Fathers knew had that mistake (but it was demonstrated that the earlier versions were correct, and that some websites used the original publication date on their later translations, giving the wrong impression about what the Founding Fathers understood as natural born).

62 posted on 12/02/2010 11:39:11 PM PST by Gondring (Paul Revere would have been flamed as a naysayer troll and told to go back to Boston.)
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To: rxsid
Citizenship is obtained via naturalization. Those who don't need to be "naturalized" are those who are already "natural-born" citizens (why would you need to be "naturalized" if you're already "natural" from birth).

You're right that Barack Obama didn't need to be naturalized--i.e., that he was natural-born an American citizen.

As you point out, at birth, the UK was a potential citizenship option, but that soon went away with Kenyan independence. And since his birthright to American citizenship couldn't be taken from his minority, it was up to him at majority to decide whether to forsake it. I don't know of any evidence of him forsaking his status as a natural-born citizen or taking the loyalty oath required to become a Kenyan citizen.

So...you then come up with this non sequitur...

He never was at birth, nor is now, a "Natural Born Citizen" of the U.S.

Actually, as nicely laid out from your own evidence, he was a US Natural Born Citizen unless he chose to renounce that status.

64 posted on 12/02/2010 11:58:40 PM PST by Gondring (Paul Revere would have been flamed as a naysayer troll and told to go back to Boston.)
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