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For those who think Christie 2012 is a good idea

Posted on 11/20/2010 4:40:15 PM PST by Red in Blue PA



TOPICS: Business/Economy; Extended News; Government; Miscellaneous; Politics/Elections; US: New Jersey; Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: 2012; adfrom1995; banglist; chrischristie; christie2012; elections; grainofsalt; noproof; obama; palin
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To: SmartInsight

Sorry if I want our elected leaders to recognize all 10 Amendments.

That’s really a high bar we have set/sarc


121 posted on 11/21/2010 3:06:51 PM PST by Red in Blue PA (Planning on using 911? Google "Brittany Zimmerman")
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To: Red in Blue PA

Big deal.
Much as I love guns, Christie only has to be better than Obama.
And he sure as heck knows how to cut budgets!


122 posted on 11/21/2010 3:10:52 PM PST by Little Ray (The Gods of the Copybook Heading, with terror and slaughter return!)
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To: Little Ray
Much as I love guns, Christie only has to be better than Obama.

I hope most people here do not think that way.


123 posted on 11/21/2010 3:13:35 PM PST by Red in Blue PA (Planning on using 911? Google "Brittany Zimmerman")
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To: big'ol_freeper
In other words, you support the NRA which has a proclivity to support liberals.

The NRA does not have a "proclivity" to support liberals. The NRA has a longstanding policy to support those who support the 2nd Amendment and, all things being equal, to support incumbents who have shown their support for the 2nd Amendment by voting for/against specific bills over challengers who, because they have not been in office, have not. At times this means the NRA supports a Democrat incumbent with an "A" rating over a Republican challenger also with an "A" rating. If the incumbent was the Republican, they would get the NRA endorsement.

This is the policy and, even with it, the NRA supports more Republicans than Democrats.

Some don't believe in this policy because at times the NRA support could go to an incumbent candidate who in reality is much less supportive of the 2nd Amendment than the challenger. I have voiced my disapproval of this policy to the NRA (I am a benefactor member). With the help of the patriot members of the NRA, not the cut and run "sunshine" members, I feel confident that the conservative members of the Board of Directors will decide that too narrow of a view of the NRA as a single interest organization is unwise and they will force a modification to this policy.

Regardless, the NRA is still the most effective voice in support of the 2nd Amendment and one of the most powerful Constitutional Rights lobbying groups in the Country

124 posted on 11/21/2010 3:26:18 PM PST by Prokopton
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To: Prokopton
Regardless, the NRA is still the most effective voice in support of the 2nd Amendment and one of the most powerful Constitutional Rights lobbying groups in the Country

Do you really believe this?

Millions upon millions of people in this country cannot carry a gun for self-defense.
125 posted on 11/21/2010 3:34:48 PM PST by Red in Blue PA (Planning on using 911? Google "Brittany Zimmerman")
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To: Prokopton

That’s like saying the best we can do is a RINO. We can do better.


126 posted on 11/21/2010 3:34:48 PM PST by big'ol_freeper ("[T]here is nothing so aggravating [in life] as being condescended to by an idiot" ~ Ann Coulter)
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To: Red in Blue PA
Regardless, the NRA is still the most effective voice in support of the 2nd Amendment and one of the most powerful Constitutional Rights lobbying groups in the Country

Do you really believe this?

Millions upon millions of people in this country cannot carry a gun for self-defense.

If it wasn't for the NRA, the tens of millions of Americans who can carry a gun for self-defense would not be able to.

127 posted on 11/21/2010 3:43:24 PM PST by Prokopton
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To: Prokopton
If it wasn't for the NRA, the tens of millions of Americans who can carry a gun for self-defense would not be able to.

That is nonsense. Prove it.
128 posted on 11/21/2010 3:46:05 PM PST by Red in Blue PA (Planning on using 911? Google "Brittany Zimmerman")
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To: Prokopton

Forgot to add:

The Pennsylvania Constitution
Right to Bear Arms
Article I Section 21

The right of the citizens to bear arms in defense of themselves and the State shall not be questioned.

(The NRA had absolutely NOTHING to do with that)


129 posted on 11/21/2010 3:47:05 PM PST by Red in Blue PA (Planning on using 911? Google "Brittany Zimmerman")
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To: big'ol_freeper
That’s like saying the best we can do is a RINO. We can do better.

I don't know why you would be concerned with RINOs. The people who are working within the Republican party are those who want to rid the party of RINOs, not those who cut and run. The same goes for the NRA.

130 posted on 11/21/2010 3:47:45 PM PST by Prokopton
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To: Prokopton

RE: The people who are working within the Republican party are those who want to rid the party of RINOs

Patently false. It is the Tea Party Movement outside the Republican Party that has worked to rid the GOP of RINOs while the GOP continued to support them.


131 posted on 11/21/2010 3:54:47 PM PST by big'ol_freeper ("[T]here is nothing so aggravating [in life] as being condescended to by an idiot" ~ Ann Coulter)
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To: Red in Blue PA
(The NRA had absolutely NOTHING to do with that)

Right, the mere presence of a Constitutional right is all that's needed. Just like the presence of the 4th Amendment prevents the TSA from outrageous searches.

The NRA has continuously put the pressure on politicians to prevent them from ignoring/degrading our 2nd Amendment rights. Politicians admit they fear the NRA opposing them. This is what keeps you free, people working to insure your freedom, not words on paper. The Soviet Union had a strong Constitution, it was worthless because it was ignored.

132 posted on 11/21/2010 3:56:45 PM PST by Prokopton
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To: mountainbunny
Precisely. He'd have to attack NJ gun laws in the same way he's attacked the NJEA and Unions, and I know he would never do that. It irks the hell out of me to see so many on FR say the'll be willing to overlook him on the 2nd Amendment position and begs to question: 1 - what other rights does Christie have no issue with infringing upon besides the 2nd? and 2 - what other freedoms are those who have no issue with his anti-2nd amendment willing to simply give up?

The Liberties outlined in the Constitution and Bill of Rights are not ala carte. Unalienable means unalienable. I don't recall seeing any fine print in either the Constitution or Bill of Rights on varying degrees of Liberty based upon population density.

I voted for Christie in the general election because he's not the raging marxist Corzine was, and while he's good for NJ, nationally speaking we can and must do better. I'm an NRA Life Member, GOA Member, and avid Hunter. Though the 2nd Amendment has nothing to do with hunting.
133 posted on 11/21/2010 4:05:53 PM PST by mrmeyer ("When brute force is on the march, compromise is the red carpet." Ayn Rand)
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To: mrmeyer

“I voted for Christie in the general election because he’s not the raging marxist Corzine was, and while he’s good for NJ, nationally speaking we can and must do better.”

OK between Christie and Corzine you had sense enough to vote for Corzine.

So between Christie and Obama — do you think Obama is better?


134 posted on 11/21/2010 5:07:37 PM PST by SmartInsight (Bad officials are elected by good citizens who do not vote. ~ G. J. Nathan)
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To: mrmeyer

And I want to make sure that we don’t have an abundance of guns out there. .................................. So he won’t allow the bad guys to get any more guns, and keep as many as possible from the good guys? Yup, that works all the time. We can’t stop drugs and aliens from coming in but we will stop guns reaching the bad guys. Yeah Riiiight. Worried about police? Have them deputize any gun caring civilian in the area to help if they feel threatened. Of course that only applies to those of us who have mini arsenals in the trunk of the car and volunteer our services. I see nothing wrong with calling upon Vigilantes to assist them when needed.


135 posted on 11/21/2010 5:08:10 PM PST by Bringbackthedraft (The candidate they smear and ridicule the most is the one they fear the most.)
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To: big'ol_freeper
It is the Tea Party Movement outside the Republican Party that has worked to rid the GOP of RINOs while the GOP continued to support them.

If you're not a Republican, why would you care that there are Republicans who are Republicans in name only. I certainly don't care if there are Democrats in name only.

Virtually everyone I know who is a participant in the Tea Party movement is a Republican.

136 posted on 11/21/2010 7:08:48 PM PST by Prokopton
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To: SmartInsight

For Gov. of the Socialist Sh*thole that is NJ? - Christie. For POTUS? Neither. Your question is a false dichotomy.


137 posted on 11/22/2010 7:38:38 AM PST by mrmeyer ("When brute force is on the march, compromise is the red carpet." Ayn Rand)
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