Posted on 11/13/2010 2:55:59 PM PST by DontTreadOnMe2009
I believe it was you who first stated that anyone who took a look at this photo and could conclude it was an airliner lacked brains. Did you not infer that? Many people with a basic knowledge of wind and temps at altitude can indeed conclude from this photo that it is an airliner. Just because you can't, doesn't mean others can't.
Yes many pictures have been posted.
One more is needed?
People have posted similar pictures from months ago. There is nothing new there. It looks even more like a contrail to effect to me at sunset. Webcam captured similar the next day!
But go on, chase those phantom rockets.
What ZOOM setting is the camera on when the video if filmed?
Now hold on a second, I asked you first. Let me put my query in plainer words: How many missile launches have you seen live? Next question: how many years have you observed in busy L.A. region coastal skies?
As for your query, I have already stated, I believe in an answer to one of your posts, but may be mistaken, that I didn't see this phenomenon first-hand. I have watched the video at least ten times. Every time I watch it, I shake my head and marvel that anyone could construe it as a commercial airline contrail. Then I marvel at the incompetence of a flying cameraman with 11 years experience seeing it live and filming it because he mistook a commercial airline contrail for a missile plume.
Now: how about a straightforward answer to my two questions?
Man! Cooler by the second!
Hmmmm ... from my admittedly amateur perception, this is how it works: Missiles launch things. The missile splashed down in the Pacific somewhere. Who knows what its payload was. If it was a satellite payload, it “splashed down” in orbit.
That photo in post #701 is the most damning piece of evidence against you “believers”. If it’s a missile launch like you say, my goodness, the winds must be blowing 100 MPH at the launch site, because they’re already stretched out for miles after what can’t be more than 30 seconds, right? Far more likely is that it’s an airliner flying relatively straight and level at approx. 35,000 feet. Winds at that altitude can and do blow at 100 MPH and more, as evidenced by the photo. When are you people going to embrace logic and give up this foolishness?
I have only seen a few missile launches. From very small to very large.
I am not the one arguing that it’s a missile launch.
All the evidence points to it being a commercial airliner.
The pilot says he saw an identical plume a day or so before. Do you believe him?
If anything was put into orbit, we know about it.
We supposedly don’t.
If you were going to launch a satellite into orbit, you wouldn’t launch it from a sub, 50-100 miles out into the sea off the coast of the US. Your submarine would have to be REALLY REALLY BIG.
I may be wrong about this, but I am too lazy take the time to review the thousands of posts (or hundreds since I saw the UPS plane first pop up on the horizon of explanations, which has been relatively recent). Somebody who wants to prove me wrong can go to that trouble. It wouldn't matter anyway because in HONESTY I must say that the shininess of the finish on the underbelly of the plane isi what would reflect the orange sunlight, not the color, at least, that's what I'd think. So the color of the plane, it seems to me, is very possibly moot.
Of course, an aluminum-finish airliner belly would be the best reflector for a setting sun. But even if these planes were reflecting aluminum, it would not explain the absence of clear space immediately behind twin airline contrails from engines on both sides of the fuselage that cools before those twin contrails fatten up and then merge into one. That phenomenon is absent in the video footage. If it was a commercial airliner at altitude, the naked eye could probably discern that difference, binocular-aided eyes could, and so it seems to me that a professional airborne cameraman could discern it, too. In fact, I think he did. He discerned that it wasn't there.
Basic knowledge of mathmatical principles ("knowledge of wind and temps at altitude") is a very different thing from basic experience of eyewitness.
Doubtful. People watch Shuttle launches from the causeway and that’s six miles from the pad. That’s pretty close to witness 6.625 million lbf of thrust. One would imagine that a person could survive much closer to an SLBM launch, because that first stage is nowhere close to the thrust of a shuttle at liftoff.
I have yet to see it. I've seen YOU infer the evidence.
The pilot says he saw an identical plume a day or so before. Do you believe him?
Perfect example. You infer as fact that any similar airborne phenomena could only be caused by an airliner. I have first-hand experience that dispels that assumption.
At this point, the only thing that could reasonaly convince me that it was a contrail would be if the cameraman confessed to deliberate hoaxing and clever lens-time manipulation and angling, as well as lying about what he saw. And frankly, at this point, I'd still be skeptical.
Surely then, our west coast fleet is steaming there to 'recover' this 'foreign technology'.
So, you are 'inferring' that the first occurrence was ANOTHER missile that we(militarily) didn't see, didn't know about?
So how did CBS conclude the "launch" was "35 miles off the coast" to place that big yellow dot on their graphic? Could it be they were just pulling that out of their posteriors too?
The GOES satellite images are timestamped, and although they're at 15 minute intervals, you can spot a smeared jet contrail along the recorded path of UPS 902 at the day and time the CBS video was shot as it drifts on the prevailing winds towards the south.
Check out ContrailScience.com - regardless of who wrote it, all the pieces add up, and don't require a mysterious Chinese submarine which somehow our billions of dollars worth of satellites, sonar nets, and radar systems didn't notice; or a mysterious Chinese submarine that they did notice but which was concealed via a carefully orchestrated conspiracy undertaken on behalf of the Obama Administration by military personnel who know that Obama hates their guts.
Horses, not zebras.
That's a huge rocket ~ flying saucer mothership sized!
I don't think you could get within 30 miles of it and not get hurt!
Truth is always a really handy thing to know.
Sigmund!, is that you? lol
With the confused and uncertain messages coming from the DoD we can only guess whose it was and why it was launched. Sometimes they give advance notice of test launches but that doesn't mean they always would.
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