Posted on 11/13/2010 2:55:59 PM PST by DontTreadOnMe2009
Hannity was surprised to hear a famous ex Air Force General tell him “That Is A Missile, Shot From A Submarine!” I quote retired Air Force Lieutenant General Tom McInerney (ex commander of 11th Air Force in Alaska) “I spent 35 years flying fighters, and you can see the guidance system kick in, I have watched that film 10 times, I am absolutely certain that that is not an aircraft, but a sub launch ICBM missile!!!” See the video and judge his words for yourself. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LivRJOWrcpA&feature=player_embedded#! I will next post a clickable link.
November 10, 2010 at 3:27 pm http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7AMdHBgHtNE
I was watching CNN early this morning (7am-ish Pacific) and they had two experts on this subject. Had I been on my game I would have jotted down their names because (while three other subsequent video’s claiming contrails probable) the video clip is not posted on the CNN website.
The significance of the interview was that one of the experts had examined the entire KCBS helicopter footage which he claimed to be in the vicinity of 10 minutes long – probably filmed long after the rocket disappeared from sight.
He stated that in the footage there was a ‘clear’ and irrefutable separation of the stage one rocket.
While people are quick to dismiss this as an illusion-induced regular phenomenon, we of all people should not shrug something so important off with flimsy evidence based on our perceptions and/or fears.
To be honest I was floored when I saw the interview this morning and if anyone can find it (it had two panelist experts) one of them was John Pike, the other I can’t recall. It wasn’t this one:
http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/us/2010/11/09/wian.missile.mystery.cnn?iref=allsearch but I did notice Pike in this one.
It seems to me that this event is Classified and the flimsy argument of an optical illusion causing people to believe a still unidentified aircraft caused what looked like an ICBM Submarine based missile launch is ridiculous. I imagine the Pentagon may have a more official denial (rather than big-maybe’s about contrails) if no other footage of the event turns up. However, where is the so-called long-version of this event which shows the missile/rocket changing stages? Are we really going to shrug this off and sweep it under the rug? Why?
It was a rocket people.
Where it came from should be the mystery to solve, not whether or not it was an airplane for goodness sakes. If the ‘contrail’ people are wrong the next event could be ten ‘armed’ missiles headed for our shores and not away from them. Seriously, if we don’t demand answers and lean on our government to protect our country, who will?
We need to stop chasing Al Quaida in caves half-way around the world and secure our own countries defenses.
I may be wrong but I need more than references to optical illusions making it look like it’s a missile heading West when it is actually an airplane headed east – and that is not a rocket-fireball-plume but rather the sun reflecting off the plane – blah blah.
I mean this with all due respect… I could be wrong but your arguments so far do not overcome even the short-version video clips let alone what appears to be a longer version showing the stage separation. Good supportive evidence but certainly not a slam dunk – especially given the wishy-washy official responses to date.
Hopefully more amateur video footage comes out related to this – or we get access to the long version of the KCBS footage.
That is without any doubt a video of a missile launch.
First comment below the video:
"This is a single booster engine - not some commercial aircraft - you have to look at how close that vertical climb then to transend to angled ascent...
it is not some optical illusion that these so-called spokesperson and/or the McWest contrail watcher says...
if you don't know anything about the curvature of our planet/atmosphere & understand perspective & source of an object in distance, space, light etc?
It is clearly a "show of power" by us? or the Chinese?...possibly Russian Federation?"
24 hours after the events of the 8th November they were still launching those pesky SLBMs off California.
Very busy during 2009 and 2008 too.
Those certainly do look like missiles but all three are pretty poor quality videos.
American Missile Launch Mystery
They also speak about getting an interview with Gil Leyvas but the blog I found this link on was discussing how no one can find any interviews with him other than the CBS LA's original. I can't find any others either.
Are you starting to get the picture then? None of those videos had any NOTAM associated for them to close the airspace for a ballistic launch. Aircraft contrails can and do exhibit characteristics of a ballistic missile launch. Most people realise that and can work out basic perspective. They realise that the contrail is actually horizontal.
Second Mystery Missile in California?
Catalina New Year' Fly By (San Clemente Sunset)
Missile test? Key West, FL new years eve 2008
Second Mystery Missile ? - 11/9/10 (a still pic and some very crappy video)
But there are some airplane contrails in the sky to compare to the big contrail.
Where is your source that there was no NOTAM for the one off of the FL Keys?
Interesting data, thank you. Was that at surface or at altitude?
Wonder what the altitude was for forming persistent (low sublimation rate) ice crystals... (There can be a lot of difference between 30K ft and 39K ft.)
At some point, UPS 902 would have descended below that level...
Link to missile launch in Arizona November 2010
Look it goes up in the sky! :)
Compare:
#1) UPS902 was over Catalina Island at 17:31:33. Its altitude was ~ 30,000 feet. It was 35 miles south of Long Beach at 17:33:01. Altitude ~ 29,000 feet. It was then 20 miles south of Costa Mesa at 17:34:29 at ~ 29,000 feet. At that altitude should have been contrailing the whole way. Never got close to Long Beach. Traveled south of FallBrook and started major descent then. Turned north and was at 11,100 feet over Hemet heading north.
#2) “I’m not convinced the missile was launched at 5:00-5:15 as has been widely reported. That time frame fits well into the Flight 808 theory, since we know Flt 808 was over Catalina at 5:00pm. However, in an interview with the man who shot the video, he said it was around 4:45. The helicopter shown on the Bob Hope monitor was there at 4:45, but disappeared prior to 5:00pm. I was also reading viewer comments at the KCBS/KCAL website.
One man said he and his wife were walking along Venice Beach at 4:45 and saw it.”
So it seems a 4:45 witness vs a 5:30 arriving plane perhaps?
This is their “science”. And typical of all that they say and do.
They wish to force one plane or another on top of what is very obviously a missile launch.
A plane contrail.
What a hoot.
There was no NOTAM for the 8th.
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I'll let you do your own research to work out the area that the NOTAM covered. Check the date? Also 'FL390' is for Flight level 39,000 feet. Since when do ballistic missiles stop at 39,000 feet?
Even the timing puts that flight in the wrong place at the wrong times. Too far south. The maps of its flight path have it crossing over the south end of Catalina Island anyway not north of the island.
That’s a ridiculous distraction. Either the video that was taken on Nov. 8th is what we’re discussing or we’re looking at still pics, unsourced videos and other images that have no comparison value.
Here are more thoughtful intelligent comments by people with common sense, using their experience as a base to post knowledgeably.
George E. Smith says: November 10, 2010 at 11:15 am
For crying out loud ! No wonder that Science is in such a disreputable state these days.
People just can’t even describe what they see with their own eyes.
Now the actual video shot from the Station Helicopter was available for viewing on CBSNEWS.COM all of yesterday; and that is where I saw the video shown; and that is all I have seen of the actual incident.
What I have seen and heard since has me ROFLMAO along with smoke and flames coming out of both nostrils and ears.
Let’s start at the top; might be the very top. Is Dr Michio Kaku a big enough expert scientist for you ?
Well he was consulted on one broadcast and he described it as a “contrail” from an aeroplane.
Sorry Dr Kaku; that’s plain kaka ! better stick to Physics Theory; you’re not qualified to do experimental research.
Then on George Noory’s Coast-to-Coast AM; he had two “experts” on; one of them a show regular who has very good scientific credentials; and the other one supposedly was “in the know” about secret aeroplanes, and black helicopters, and missile etc. Well talk about a heap of muddled garbage; in the end they concluded they didn’t know what it was or who done it.
Please; can people stop calling this a “Contrail” !
Contrail is short for “CONDENSATION TRAIL”
and it happens typically when a fast moving aeroplane or even an automobile passes through nearly saturated (H2O) cool air, and the pressure drop due to Bernoulli’s principle causes condensation along the path. I see it happen along rainy highways all the time.
This was NOT condensing water vapor.
It was SMOKE from the combustion of ROCKET FUEL.
Also the video; which also showed the ground in it, shows that the ROCKET came up from the ground (or ocean),
and went near vertically up into the sky; with some bends and kinks along the way;
you could see the actual vehicle in front of the smoke exhaust; and you could watch the smoke being laid out behind the ROCKET as it sped up.
Notice I do not call it a “missile”.
A missile would be something sinister; a launch vehicle carrying a weapon system (offensive or defensive); but a ROCKET could be just off for a ride; and might carry a scientific payload; or maybe nothing at all.
One of those two Experts on Noory’s show; the one who was “on the inside” said it couldn’t be a satellite launch from Vandenberg or a military missile because “They ahve over 50 gees of acceleration, and this object didn’t accelerate like that."
Where the hell do these idiots get the idea that ground launched missiles have 50 gees acceleration.
If you watch any big launches, you get the idea that these things are set up to barely get off the ground (yes I exaggerate).
As thy burn through fuel, they of course do pick up acceleration; but you don’t want too high an acceleration; because that means your rocket engine is too big and heavy for the vehicle.
Kookoo Kaku, said this wasn’t a rocket because it wasn’t headed for Kwajalein; like a lot of Vandenberg shots are.
I have no idea who fired what;
but it WAS a rocket making smoke; not a contrail; and it was not any kind of aeroplane. It would seem that the military do know exactly what it was and who did it; and they haven’t said too much yet.
But people who have worked at Vandenberg and in the Rocket business,
say they launch stuff from that offshore launch site all the time; and they aren’t about to tell us ahead of time.
Yeah, I checked the date.
I’ve been wondering if anyone has asked the crew of UPS 902 if they saw a honkin’ big ol’ missile coming up at ‘em... ‘-)
“The object was spinning like a bullet or a football when I zoomed in”.
Hmmmmmmmmmm
Which plane does that people ???
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