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MSNBC's Ratigan, cartoonist Ted Rall hints at violent revolution
examiner.com ^ | 11/9/10 | Joe Newby

Posted on 11/09/2010 9:07:21 PM PST by Tom Hawks

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On Monday, MSNBC host Dylan Ratigan seemed to suggest the time may be right for violent revolution in the United States.

While interviewing liberal cartoonist Ted Rall, the host appeared to support the idea. Lachlan Markay of Newsbusters quoted the host:

"Are things in our country so bad that it might actually be time for a revolution?" Ratigan asked. "The answer obviously is yes," he added, and "the only question is how to do it."

Rall was promoting his book, "The Anti-American Manifesto", where he calls for violent revolution. Ed Morrissey of Hot Air posted an excerpt from the book:

We are here because the U.S. is going to end soon. There’s going to be an intense, violent, probably haphazard struggle for control. It’s going to come down to us versus them. The question is: What are you going to do about it?…

Christian fundamentalists, the millennial end-of-theworlders obsessed with the Left Behind series about the End Times, neo-Nazi racists, rural black-helicopter Michigan Militia types cut from the same inbred cloth as Timothy McVeigh, allied with “mainstream” gun nuts and right-wing Republicans, have been planning, preparing, and praying for the destruction of the “Godless,” “secular” United States for decades. In the past, they formed groups like the John Birch Society and the Aryan Nations. Now the hard Right has a postmodern, decentralized non-organization organization called the Tea Party.

Right-wing organizational names change, but they amount to the same thing: the reactionary sociopolitical force—the sole force—poised to fill the vacuum when collapse occurs. The scenario outlined by Margaret Atwood’s prescient novel The Handmaid’s Tale—rednecks in the trenches, hard military men running things, minorities and liberals taken away and massacred, setting the stage for an even more extreme form of laissez-faire corporate capitalism than we’re suffering under today—is a fair guess of how a post-U.S. scenario will play out unless we prepare to turn it in another direction…

A war is coming. At stake: our lives, the planet, freedom, living. The government, the corporations, and the extreme right are prepared to coalesce into an Axis of Evil. Are you going to fight back? Will you do whatever it takes, including taking up arms?

From this excerpt, one gets the impression that Rall is calling for a civil war between liberals and conservatives - specifically the Tea Party, and he appears to openly call for liberals to take up arms against anyone on the right.

When Sharron Angle spoke of a "2nd Amendment solution" to the nation's problems, liberal media outlets like MSNBC went berserk. But Ratigan appeared to be okay with liberals taking to the streets in open, armed conflict.

In early October, Rall expressed support for a communist-style dictatorship in the United States in an interview with washingtoncitypaper.com.

In that interview, he said Thomas Jefferson was the American leader he admired the most. However, the man who helped create America's founding documents would probably not support a communist dictatorship.

In the interview with Ratigan, Rall ironically quoted John Locke; "It's up to the people. John Locke said, the people have an obligation to revolt when their government's fails.

Markay noted the irony:

That's right, Rall quoted the philosopher arguably most influential among American revolutionaries to suggest that another revolution would be justified. Gee, that sure sounds a lot like Tea Party protesters holding up signs demanding we "water the tree of liberty" - with the blood of patriots and tyrants, as Thomas Jefferson famously said.

Apparently, liberals calling for violent revolution and a Soviet-style communist dictatorship in the United States is okay with the hosts at MSNBC, but conservatives who want a return to Constitutional principles are radical.



TOPICS: Extended News; Government; News/Current Events
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To: Tom Hawks

No this pussy isn’t calling for armed conflict as much as he is calling for a return to Weathermen bombing targeting places like national review ogives and other conservative targets. I’ll be DAMNED if they’re going to get away with that crap in this day and age.


21 posted on 11/09/2010 9:36:24 PM PST by steel_resolve
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To: Tom Hawks

The extreme left is the axis of evil, let’s make no mistake about that.

The extreme right is focused on Jesus Christ, the antithesis of evil


22 posted on 11/09/2010 9:36:55 PM PST by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: Zetman
I apologize for the formatting of my previous post. I placed HTML tags in it, but I guess I misspelled them (how pathetic is THAT??). I didn't really type a solid block of text like that, honest, I didn't!! Next time I will use the preview button, instead of simply trusting my instincts!!
23 posted on 11/09/2010 9:38:07 PM PST by Zetman
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To: Tom Hawks
Will you do whatever it takes, including taking up arms?

Uh..I think they are forgetting one thing..They don't have the guns, we do. What are they going to do, throw empty Latte' cups at us??

24 posted on 11/09/2010 9:38:57 PM PST by ExtremeUnction
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To: SaraJohnson
The Black Panthers won’t help much. They are clowns.

Most are in prison. No threat there..

25 posted on 11/09/2010 9:40:22 PM PST by ExtremeUnction
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To: HerrBlucher
They have visions of an unarmed population where the effeminate lefties will have total dominance. They can cruise around in their limos and issue unchallenged decrees. The reality is that there has never been in the history of the world a country with a well armed people such as the US citizen. And the well armed are truly U.S citizens heart and soul.
Good luck left wing nutters!
26 posted on 11/09/2010 9:41:03 PM PST by liberty or death
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To: Tom Hawks

Bring it on. We own the guns


27 posted on 11/09/2010 9:42:01 PM PST by earlJam
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To: Tom Hawks

It would be child abuse, taking them on


28 posted on 11/09/2010 9:45:15 PM PST by keta
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To: Zetman

How about the woman with the chimpanzee that went nuts and ripped her friend to pieces. She just smacked of liberal Democrat. But guess what? When the chimp snapped, she grabbed a gun out of her nightstand and frantically tried to shoot the thing. Even an unhinged person who would take baths with a chimpanzee and feed him wine was smart enough to do what had to be done. I mean, what was the alternative? Call Marvin from the ACLU to come and reason with a psychotic animal?


29 posted on 11/09/2010 9:46:23 PM PST by Strk321
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To: Tom Hawks

A bunch of pot smokin’, liberal girlymen taking on Americans. This is going to be fun to watch. They want violent, we can give them violent. Americans don’t piss themselves at the sight of someone holding a gun. The girlymen better come with a lot of Huggies because one should never pick a fight with a wet spot spreading across the front of their pants.


30 posted on 11/09/2010 9:46:58 PM PST by FlingWingFlyer ("In God We Trust", everyone else must show proof of citizenship.)
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To: keta
It would be child abuse, taking them on

They are children aren't they?
31 posted on 11/09/2010 9:51:24 PM PST by Tom Hawks
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To: Tom Hawks

Weenies like Rall won’t do anything, they’ll just talk a big story and then hide down at Starbucks. And the only thing they’re protesting is that Obama isn’t radical-socialist enough.


32 posted on 11/09/2010 9:53:28 PM PST by bigbob
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To: Tom Hawks

.308 Hornady 185 grn @ 2800fps.....

Bring it.


33 posted on 11/09/2010 9:55:47 PM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it.)
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To: casuist
So, if you say you start to worry when the muslims get on your plane, you get fired. If you call everybody to the right of you (which is everybody) a right wing nutjob racist, you keep your cartoon syndication, and are invited back over and over again to plug your screed on MSNBC.

By the way, this bunch of leftist Che wannabes couldn't stop a cub scout troop saying the Pledge of Allegiance in a school, much less "violently overthrow" any government. I almost hope they would try, but the financial cost wouldn't be worth it. Remember these are the pansies that whine everytime they go to a G20 summit and sniff a little OC.

Maybe DHS should start looking into these "homegrown" wackos.

34 posted on 11/09/2010 9:57:29 PM PST by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: Vendome
What are you shooting that out of? That is a bit heavy of a bullet for most military type barrel twists. :)

I am trying to get a civilian SCAR. I got to fire the real machine last week and it was pretty awesome. Kind of hard to control full auto, though.

35 posted on 11/09/2010 10:00:08 PM PST by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: Zetman
In fact, many staunch left-wingers out here are actually gun owners (I know that I was surprised to learn this). I have been to a gun range near San Francisco a few times with a friend, and there were always plenty of people there practicing. Liberals that I know around here also tell me that many of their liberal friends own guns.

Eh, big whoop. How many of them know how to conduct themselves under fire? Tactics under a sustained firefight? Movement to contact? Team bounding? In other words, how many are vets of the military or police force? These sorry libs will pop a few rounds off until their mags are empty, then curl up into a ball and pray to Gaia to save them.
36 posted on 11/09/2010 10:00:23 PM PST by fr_freak
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To: Zetman

I too am in the Bay Area and the lefties I know think their .22 rifles and handguns will it for them.

I always laugh and ask them if they ever took the time to consider why hunters use .30cal and above.

They honestly believe they are going to shoot an attacker right between the eyes. LOL

They ask me what I would do and I tell them “why mess around?”

“First, who the hell want to be so close you can shoot them in between the eyes?”.

“Second, I prefer to range them at a couple hundred yards”

They always chime in and say they can hit a couple hundred yards out.

I laugh saying “Maybe. Don’t think so and your bullets effect range is a little further back”.

“Use .308 for a long distance cordless drill or to reach out and touch somebody. I ain’t interested in meeting the person who wants to do me harm”.


37 posted on 11/09/2010 10:07:00 PM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it.)
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To: USNBandit

Springfield M1A! Americas gun.

.308 BTW is very common for Snipers as is .300 Hornady.


38 posted on 11/09/2010 10:10:12 PM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it.)
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To: USNBandit

Forgot.

They also shoot .338 Lapua for extra long distances.


39 posted on 11/09/2010 10:13:56 PM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it.)
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To: Vendome
What twist barrel do you have? It's been forever since I shot this a lot and we had two different barrel twists floating about. One stabilized the "Special Ball" pretty well and the other was much better with National Match.

I have one of the 16 inch M1As and it is horrible. I've tried several types of ammo and they all suck. Maybe 18 inches is as short as you want to go. I sent it back to the factory and they recrowned the barrel and sent back a target they shot with Federal Match that was still 3 inches at 100 yds. If you use cheap ammo it practically patterns at 100 yds. Pretty disappointing.

40 posted on 11/09/2010 10:17:04 PM PST by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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