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China makes world's fastest supercomputer as US asks to shrink its demand
TOP NEWS ^ | 10/29/2010 | Ethan Oliveira

Posted on 10/29/2010 9:09:27 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

A research lab in China has made the fastest supercomputer in the world. With this, it has been able to replace US in having the hold on this segment of technology.

But as China is trying to realize its dream of becoming the best in hi-tech, US has asked it to control its demand in rare earth elements. These elements are used in many a high-technology applications and have been in great demand by China.

To be able to get hold of these, China has been flexing its muscles for the last few months and has attracted attention especially from US.

And to be able to resolve the same, US Secretary of State, Hillary Clinton is expected to talk to the Chinese leaders about the issue. She is likely to raise the point of serious decrease of the rare earth elements and may ask China to control its hunger.

A press release from the Clinton's offices has said that the rare earth elements are critical to industrial production in US and Japan.

But the Chinese office has refused to bargain on the same issue.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: china; supercomputer; tianhe1
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To: blasater1960; SeekAndFind
Related thread:

China, NVIDIA Create World's Most Powerful Supercomputer


The supercomputer uses 7,168 NVIDIA Tesla M2050 GPUs. (Source: NVIDIA)

21 posted on 10/29/2010 10:03:00 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach ( Support Geert Wilders)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Man you people are a bunch of downers and defeatists!

They put together a single supercomputer, using obviously US parts, probably utilizing the skills of largely US engineers/advisors (maybe even Intel at its factories there), using schematics that were probably designed on a US made computer after 50 years or more of US research that gave them a platform to do their tinkering with, and you guys are ready to give up and declare them the winner in the supercomputer race? What race???

Besides, they're probably not buying the rare earth metals for use, I suspect they're just buying them all up to hoard them and use them for blackmail purposes.

22 posted on 10/29/2010 10:36:18 AM PDT by HeartlandOfAmerica (Obama and the Dem Congress will spend $5 trillion every year of his presidency until they break US!)
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To: WebFocus

We’re told this, yes.

But.........

We have 1000s of men and women in various positions working almost around the clock themselves in the background to make sure the bad guys pay.

So, we give no more ground. Dig in.


23 posted on 10/29/2010 11:38:48 AM PDT by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spiritui Sancto.)
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To: FunkyZero

“The only folks interested in stuff like Tianhe-1 are orgs like NSA who do major encryption/decryption”

Alot of research is done by universities on computing clusters of this scale. It isn’t just the spooks.

Case in point is the Texas Advanced Computing Center http://www.tacc.utexas.edu/


24 posted on 10/29/2010 4:26:44 PM PDT by Eyes Unclouded ("The word bipartisan means some larger-than-usual deception is being carried out." -George Carlin)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

I have a new respect for my graphics card!


25 posted on 10/31/2010 9:49:19 AM PDT by blasater1960 (Deut 30, Psalm 111...the Torah and the Law, is attainable past, present and forever.)
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To: Eyes Unclouded
Alot of research is done by universities on computing clusters of this scale. It isn’t just the spooks.

Case in point is the Texas Advanced Computing Center http://www.tacc.utexas.edu/


I'm curious, are you a Longhorn, or are you familiar with TACC for some other reason? (Not that TACC is a secret or anything, just curious since I work with TACC almost daily.)

Also, as you pointed out, these types of machines are used all the time for science and engineering, both open science and classified work (I don't do classified work but I've been at various national labs for brief periods. The fact that the machines exist for classified work is not a secret, you just can't use them if you don't have a security clearance).

Three other responses to things that have come up on this thread. First, the benchmarks actually do require that the computer works together on the same problem, you can't just shove 100,000 processors together and all have them run a separate problem and then claim you are the fastest. There is no need for conspiracy theories here, the Chinese are much more advanced than we might like. However, just putting the computer together and running a benchmark doesn't ultimately prove that much if they don't have useful applications that require this much processing power.

Second, there is no reason to believe that the NSA has significantly more powerful computers than this. If you want to believe that because it makes you happy, go ahead, I don't have evidence against it, but there is no reason to believe that they would have access to more computing power than the national labs, when an important goal of the labs is to increase computer simulation capabilities for use in national defense related research. Obviously it is possible that the NSA has computers that are 10 times more powerful or 100 times more powerful, but it is unlikely, since that would put them years ahead of the forefront of computer research everywhere else. It is possible that the NSA is hiding the existence of a Stargate and are currently preparing us for an alien invasion, but I don't just assume that the NSA is doing everything I see in movies.

Finally, as you pointed out, alot of the reason for this is not technology, it is funding. We could build larger computers than this, but building and maintaining them is expensive. Few if any private companies have the need for computers like this, so if the US wants to stay ahead in this field, the US government is going to have to step up and pay for it. Obviously this is government spending, but new weapons and defense technologies don't invent themselves.
26 posted on 11/01/2010 9:04:57 PM PDT by LonghornFreeper
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To: LonghornFreeper

Just wanted to clarify that the “you” in that previous post was not directed at the poster whom I quoted about TACC. The “you” was a generic “you”, referring primarily to those writing various comments I’ve seen on this thread (and another about this topic) stating that the NSA must have computers way, way more powerful than this new Chinese one, because, you know, they are the NSA, and they kick ass.


27 posted on 11/01/2010 9:13:53 PM PDT by LonghornFreeper
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