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To: expat_panama

We used to make TVs in America. We used to make shoes. Now we don’t. There is some truth to the “myth”.


2 posted on 10/27/2010 5:04:12 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy
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To: ClearCase_guy
Hey, we used to make TVs in America with large glass tubes. Now we don't. Neither does anyone else.

On the other hand, we used to make gazillions of shoes. Then the Italians made gazillions of shoes. Then the Brazilians. Then the Chinese. Now the Indians.

Yet, the world's most efficient athletic shoe maker is still in America and he has an almost totally automated and roboticized operation.

Do you really think the Italians, brazilians, Chinese and Indians can ultimately compete against shoe making robots?

What we are having to deal with in manufacturing is TECHNOLOGICAL CHANGE and IMPROVEMENT. That factor eliminates more jobs than outsourcing ever did.

8 posted on 10/27/2010 5:27:13 AM PDT by muawiyah ("GIT OUT THE WAY" The Republicans are coming)
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To: ClearCase_guy

Wanna see a liberal disconnect? Here’s an editorual from Ann Arbor complaining that low paid ($14 per hour) manufacturing jobs aren’t an economic answer.

http://www.annarbor.com/business-review/michigan-celebrates-2-billion-manufacturing-investment-but-its-not-the-jobs-solution-we-need/

These idiots look down on the lowly blue collar workers but will happily blame republicans for jobs being shipped overseas.


9 posted on 10/27/2010 5:29:07 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: ClearCase_guy
My second grade daughter recently had a social studies section on community, such as cities, states, and countries. They also did a section akin to "the story of stuff" - where does it all come from. My daughter's immediate answer, "China!" Her classmates tried to prove her wrong but couldn't when looking at the labels on clothes and imprints on other items.

Hearing this, we did the same thing in our house. She amended her homework, "American people, food and buildings are made in America. A few things are made in Korea and Malaysia. Everything else is made in China."

13 posted on 10/27/2010 5:40:21 AM PDT by tbw2 (Freeper sci-fi - "Sirat: Through the Fires of Hell" - on amazon.com)
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To: ClearCase_guy
We used to make TVs in America. We used to make shoes. Now we don’t. There is some truth to the “myth”.

And where are those shoes and electronics being made? Not in Canada or the European Union. They're being made in China and Malaysia and other low-cost labor countries. Another truth to the 'myth'.

23 posted on 10/27/2010 6:08:23 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: ClearCase_guy

Should we start competing with Malaysia on palm oil too?
More importantly, there are no American companies, to my knowledge, manufacturing TVs abroad.


26 posted on 10/27/2010 6:26:02 AM PDT by TopQuark
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To: ClearCase_guy
While the author is entirely correct about the need for American companies to serve new global marketplaces through foreign production centers, he purposely ignores the effects of labor arbitrage, which has been used by corporations (both domestic and foreign) to produce more competitively-priced goods for American consumption.

High relative American labor costs are a primary driver in the decision to locate jobs abroad, but it is not the only reason. High corporate income taxes, incomprehensible and complex regulations, restrictive union work rules, government monopolies on functions that the private sector could easily assume, legal expenses and economic uncertainty also play a role, as does an absence of qualified technical workers in the U.S.

As a consequence, our economy has grown increasingly dependent on the service and information sectors, where jobs tend to be lower paid and less stable than the manufacturing jobs we have abandoned over time.

The larger problem, I believe is one that is invisible: the absence of new dynamic industries that were never created, severely curtailed or ultimately located abroad because of the aforementioned costs of doing business in America. Hence: lower demand for domestic labor, shrunken consumer markets, educational needs both uncreated and unfulfilled, lower wages and a greatly reduced wealth multiplier effect.

I do believe that Americans would be willing to pay higher prices for a wide array of goods currently produced in places like China, but that opportunity will never materialize as long as we continue to treat business alternately, as a necessary evil, and a cash cow to be milked dry by politicians eager to buy votes with others' money and to create dependency in place of self-sufficiency.

31 posted on 10/27/2010 6:45:24 AM PDT by andy58-in-nh (America does not need to be organized: it needs to be liberated.)
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To: ClearCase_guy
"We used to make TVs in America. We used to make shoes. Now we don’t. There is some truth to the “myth”."

Right - it isn't a myth. Check where the stuff you buy is made and you will see where the jobs have gone. Clinton started job exporting, Bush put it on steroids, and Obama looks the other way.

There will be no recovery until we make more of what we import. Whatever it takes. A good place to start would be to put flexible tariffs to equalize what countries sell to us and buy from us. No tariff if the difference is small to the more the difference, the higher the tariff. Trade means we buy from us and you buy from us. Anything else is we are being robbed.

68 posted on 10/27/2010 9:49:28 AM PDT by ex-snook ("Above all things, truth beareth away the victory")
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