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Fitch puts most of the US banking sector on negative watch
Financial Times ^ | 10/22/10 | Tracy Alloway

Posted on 10/22/2010 12:04:56 PM PDT by Kartographer

Fresh from Fitch Ratings — one almighty ratings watch call.

It seems the ‘Too Big To Fail’ fix announced by the Federal Deposit and Insurance Corporation last week, is too formidable to satisfy Fitch’s ratings ‘uplift’ requirements.

The agency thinks the measures will eliminate the government support currently implicit in its ratings on US financials. That, incidentally, is rather different to what rival Moody’s said on the same (support) subject earlier this week.

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1 posted on 10/22/2010 12:04:58 PM PDT by Kartographer
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To: Chunga85; charlie72; NVDave; stephenjohnbanker; M. Espinola; blam; Quix; 2ndDivisionVet; ...

PING!


2 posted on 10/22/2010 12:06:24 PM PDT by Kartographer (".. we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor.")
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To: Kartographer

It will not bother the stock market at all. Let’s see who knows why... (no prizes for guessing right, just the satisfaction of knowing that you understand what’s going on).


3 posted on 10/22/2010 12:11:18 PM PDT by andy58-in-nh (America does not need to be organized: it needs to be liberated.)
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To: andy58-in-nh

PPP?


4 posted on 10/22/2010 12:29:07 PM PDT by Former Proud Canadian (How do I change my screen name now that we have the most conservative government in the world?)
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To: Former Proud Canadian
PPP

Nope.

5 posted on 10/22/2010 12:32:04 PM PDT by andy58-in-nh (America does not need to be organized: it needs to be liberated.)
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To: andy58-in-nh
It will not bother the stock market at all. Let’s see who knows why

Why?

C'mon. I've only got about 15 or so minutes left. Please, please, please? I'll be wondering for the rest of the day now. My kids are about to come home from classes and they'll need the computer. Bummer!

6 posted on 10/22/2010 12:50:53 PM PDT by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal")
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To: concerned about politics
Okay:

QE2 – It's not just a cruise ship anymore, but it could certainly buy a few. It's called "Quantitative Easing", Part Deux – instant credit creation. The market is betting that it's on the way, and that's why bad news is good news.

Poof! – thanks Uncle Ben - we're rich! So… the banks get bailed out by the Federal Reserve once more. The Fed then buys more Treasuries in the open market operations trading sessions, loans money to the banks at near zero interest rates, and they in turn go out and buy more shares of Apple and Amazon.com. Everybody's happy. Yeah.

7 posted on 10/22/2010 12:54:11 PM PDT by andy58-in-nh (America does not need to be organized: it needs to be liberated.)
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To: andy58-in-nh
It will not bother the stock market

PS....

Unemployment numbers don't seem to be bothering it either. People are dropping out of jobs like flies, and....nothing. That seems odd to me.

8 posted on 10/22/2010 12:55:18 PM PDT by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal")
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To: andy58-in-nh
It will not bother the stock market at all.

Because the market is now largely populated by machines trading on microscopic ups and downs which have almost nothing to do with the real value of any of the companies being traded.

L

9 posted on 10/22/2010 12:58:41 PM PDT by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
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To: concerned about politics

The easiest way to understand the stock market right now is to discard the notion that fundamental economic analysis means anything. It is a game, with a handful of high-stakes players gambling with borrowed money on a handful of issues with high-speed computers, all on short bets.


10 posted on 10/22/2010 1:00:36 PM PDT by andy58-in-nh (America does not need to be organized: it needs to be liberated.)
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To: andy58-in-nh
So it's another cluster____ to hold off the big one? It's not real money. It's going from pocket to pocket and back to pocket again? Oh brother.
11 posted on 10/22/2010 1:02:04 PM PDT by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal")
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To: Kartographer

But, by God, the DOW is up, up and up.

I wish I could get up that easily, but that’s another story.


12 posted on 10/22/2010 1:24:17 PM PDT by dools0007world
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To: andy58-in-nh

Because Jimmy Mcmillian is going to elected Governor of NY?


13 posted on 10/22/2010 1:52:08 PM PDT by Perdogg (Nancy Pelosi did more damage to America on 03/21 than Al Qaeda did on 09/11)
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To: Kartographer

And so it begins.


14 posted on 10/22/2010 1:53:16 PM PDT by NeoCaveman (I can see November from my house. Christine turned me into a Newt. I got better.)
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“And so it begins.”

Well Fitch did downgraded Lehman in June 2008 and then Lehman died September 15, 2008.


15 posted on 10/22/2010 1:59:41 PM PDT by Kartographer (".. we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor.")
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To: andy58-in-nh

1. earnings are positive
2. the election will dampen the liberal nonsense

My daddy use to call it betting on the come


16 posted on 10/22/2010 2:03:50 PM PDT by bert (K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... Greetings Jacques. The revolution is coming)
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To: andy58-in-nh

The government and the big banks are controlling the market to prevent panic. All wise investors have left the market for commodities and bonds.


17 posted on 10/22/2010 2:42:10 PM PDT by apoxonu
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I would agree mostly EXCEPT I think that bonds are as bad off as stocks. I fear that there a “bubble” has formed in bonds and that there will be at least a major decline coming soon.


18 posted on 10/22/2010 3:08:49 PM PDT by Timothy
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To: concerned about politics
It will not bother the stock market

PS....

Unemployment numbers don't seem to be bothering it either. People are dropping out of jobs like flies, and....nothing. That seems odd to me.


I have seen this same thing in the early 80’s, this surprised me as well. I guess the theory was that employers were trimming up, becoming more “lean”, and wall street found this to be encouraging news.

However at this point I don't see how the same message would apply.

19 posted on 10/22/2010 3:56:39 PM PDT by MRadtke (Light a candle or curse the darkness?)
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To: bert

As one who used to play the crap tables, you have to understand the percentages and know who owns the table. In this case, earnings are subject to taxes, political influence, and inflationary depreciation, all of which reduce your “take”. The table is owned by the banks and the government. The election might change those odds, but it’s far from a certainty as long as Washington, DC runs the game.


20 posted on 10/22/2010 4:01:30 PM PDT by andy58-in-nh (America does not need to be organized: it needs to be liberated.)
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