Posted on 10/13/2010 3:04:13 PM PDT by BuckeyeTexan
LOL! Some posters are known for being in the tank for Bambi. I asked already knowing why those 2 don’t have law license - the truth is out and old news. But I so enjoy see the little minions running to catch the bait and post propaganda. Wondering if, thanks sucker, is too subtle.
Point well taken.
This is the problem when there is a disinformation campaign: we have very little way of knowing what and who to trust. That’s why it is totally unacceptable for Obama to be hiring people to go on blogs and lie. That’s why it is totally unacceptable for the HDOH to lie and obfuscate.
The natural outcome of that is that none of us knows who we can believe, which keeps us from being able to KNOW anything or TRUST anybody.
That is why this isn’t just about some little who-cares, too-late-already issue. This is about the ability of a crook to totally alienate freedom-loving people from each other. It is absolutely reasonable that we are all acting this way. It’s also absolutely unacceptable that we should be placed in this situation.
The end result of all of this is that none of us knows anything until everything is laid out bare and we get answers for the anomalies rather than obfuscation and outright lies. As long as the lies are allowed to continue without the antiseptic of air and light to expose truth from the lies, we are not going to be able to trust anybody. Nobody can trust us and we can trust nobody.
If that’s acceptable to everybody then we should just say this issue doesn’t matter.
If that’s not acceptable, then this eligibility issue needs to be opened up like a festering wound so we can get to the truth and let the truth air out and heal the accusations and distrust we’ve all been dealing with, either from the receiving end or from the giving end.
I don’t know up from down these days, with all the mind games going on. What I do know is that it is NOT acceptable for Obama’s thugs to do this to us. When we all stand up together and say that - and refuse to accept no as an answer from our Congress critters and the courts - THEN we can move on to a place where honest players don’t have to fear accusations that they can’t defend themselves from.
Are we all sick of this yet? Is there anybody who can say that this issue doesn’t matter - now that none of us feel like we can trust anybody? That’s sheer Alinsky; is that a small little side-issue that a person has to be nuts to be concerned about? If all conservatives said, “Enough is enough” this issue would get resolved. What are we waiting for?
That’s why I say it would be helpful to have an apples-to-apples comparison. Hopefully Danae will be on soon and can help clarify these things.
Funny!...but I now need a shower from actually being on
Huffington’s page. EEUUWW! :D
I will only add that I am waiting for confirmation from officals of the state of Hawai’i on the circumstances under which a long form can still be ordered and received from the state of Hawai’i. That is the primary part of this mystery that interests me.
I have written to Dr. Fukino and to Dr. Alvin T. Onaka, Registrar of Vital Statistics and I have forwarded to both of them a series of posts from this site and other sites that have covered this issue.
I will post their responses if and when they respond.
Until I receive information to the contrary, I too will trust that Danae is an honorable person who was able to legitimately receive a recently issued long form.
I still question though whether if Barack Obama was to take the exact same steps as Danae and release his version of the exact same document, whether birthers would accept it as legitimate and authentic proof of birth.
Judges cannot take into consideration anything not entered into the record. When has Fukino’s statement ever been entered into a judicial record as evidence?
If it hasn’t been entered as evidence, why not? Why was Factcheck the supposed authority cited in a footnote by Obama’s lawyers requesting judicial notice?
Microfiche researcher: “I found two 1961 birth announcements.”
Hawaii: “Obama was born here.”
Birthers: Holy crap! Hawaii’s in on the conspiracy too!
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I took two birth announcements (from when I was born) to the DMV.
My mom was with me and sworn to them, where and when I was born and what time.
It DIDN’T work - they wouldn’t issue me a drivers license.
Do YOU think the DMV has a conspiracy against me?
Yeah, yeah, dude. BDZ has heard it from me already. This is no surprise to her.
Keep fishing. Bot.
"I hold that although Mr. Miller has a legitimate expectation of privacy in those documents, Mr. Miller's right to privacy is indeed outweighed by the public's significant interest in the background of a public figure who is running for the U.S. Senate," the judge said. He noted that U.S. senator is among the highest elected offices in the nation.Read more: http://www.adn.com/2010/10/23/1515937/judge-orders-miller-documents.html#ixzz13JpJ2heh
I wonder how he'd feel about the right to privacy verses the public's right to know about THE HIGHEST elected office in the nation.
EEEUUUWWWW ... 2
;)
Not surprisingly, apparently they have
an ‘agreement’ with GE/NBC, but NBC
removes any SNL content as soon as they
find it on youtube .. whattashock, huh ?
Uhm, yeah. Let’s see the back of both documents and a photo of the inside of the envelope.
The TONER would be present there because it would have had the most contact and for the longest.
Adding more detail to your story doesn’t make it more convincing.
Bump Dat...
You and your buddies at ObamaCON sure did a few days ago. You do remember your bet right? You bet her that she could not get a long form birth certificate from Hawaii where you lost. Did you get "your verification" from Hawaii's DoH Registrar Alvin Onaka yet? And when you do, you are going to post it here like you said - right?
But just like with Danae, if Obama were “the applicant” and he received a copy of his long form and it said exactly what he would want it to say, there is no one on the birther side who would accept it as valid.
The way to release Obama’s long form is with Barack Obama having NOTHING to do with the release. Even then, there are people who won’t trust anything released by the state of Hawai’i at this late date.
The truth bar is exponentially higher for Obama being a "president" who is known to lie all the time. Danae has show a hell of lot more information than Obama has on the subject...not even close. Obama will not directly speak about his Hawaiian short form COLB as he is mute. For Obama to end the controversy to where he was born is to show that image COLB of his voluntarily in a court of law where it can be verified against the Hawaiian records. Or Obama can authorize Hawaii to waive the clause “the applicant has a direct and tangible interest in the record” for his records - to release all and every record for Obama to the press and public that the Hawaiian Department of Health hold. I'd bet Danae would have no problem in showing a court of law if her birth record was in question.
Where was the ink transfer located, and which way was it facing? Your first statement didn’t say, and that probably added to the thought that you were saying it was a straight front-to-back transfer from the receipt being in the back. That could be a misunderstanding. It would certainly help us all if we saw the ink itself.
I just got done posting to Buckeye Texan that I hate it that we have to wonder who might by lying to us. That’s what invariably happens when there is no rule of law. It’s every person looking out for him/herself because anybody in the world (including government figures) could be lying to us. It leaves us all walking blind - and the goal of that is that we can’t band together and accomplish things if we’re all walking blind and alone.
I don’t know if anybody among us can even know for absolute sure who is telling the truth on a multitude of issues. I for one am sick of it. I’m sick of having to wonder whether people that I like and that I could have a fantastic relationship with are really who they say they are. I’m sick of having to parse words in contradictory, mutually-exclusive laws and statements by government bureaucrats because on their face nothing works together.
There’s one way to answer all our questions: find out the truth, based on all the records that are available. It is unconscionable that this has not yet happened, after all the contradictions and the loss of both the rule of law and the credibility of any government bureaucrats at all.
We can’t survive as a nation if we are all walking around blind, unable to know if anything is true or a lie by people wanting our destruction. It’s like constant taqiyya. Without some foundation of truth we have anarchy. And this is what it feels like. It feels like having nobody trust you and being unable to convince them even if you are telling the truth. It feels like not getting answers when you see things that don’t add up.
Enough is enough. We need to band together and demand that this thing be resolved. If we don’t have truth we don’t have anything.
“As far as the type faces and stamped dates and what not? I don’t see why any of that fricking matters. Danae’s document was from many years after BHO’s. I wouldn’t expect that kind of correlation. And it strikes me as unreasonable to indulge in comparisons on the matter. I do not think that any of those had any bearing on why she requested her long form.”
Dude, please.
I compared it to 25 date stamps from 1927 to 1981. The two closest to hers (before and after) are an exact match.
You don’t even know what you are talking about. Bot.
BOT! I see you, you freaking BOT!
Of course it matters that hers don’t match EVERY SINGLE DATE STAMP ON THE INTERNET. If Obama’s stuff didn’t match ANYONE’S, it would raise HUGE RED FLAGS.
D’oh! Go change your kitty litter, ya liar. Your BS is too easy to spot.
Yup seen it; a good article.
Does that bother you at all - that a large number of Americans don’t necessarily believe what government bureaucrats might say in official communications, because there is no method to keep them accountable if and when they lie?
Woah. What is it supposed to be, an undiscovered Jackson Pollock painting, lol?
Ping
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