[SeekAndFind]

Since we’re into Southerners vs Northerners, we might want to ask again -— was the civil war between the American North and South about slavery as the standard talking heads want us to believe, or was it about state rights and the right to self-determination?

[ontap]

There you’ve started it!!!

[rhombus]

Since we’re into Southerners vs Northerners, we might want to ask again -— was the civil war between the American North and South about slavery as the standard talking heads want us to believe, or was it about state rights and the right to self-determination?

No bites yet? No one wants to do the same old dance?

[Genoa]

Since we’re into Southerners vs Northerners, we might want to ask again -— was the civil war between the American North and South about slavery as the standard talking heads want us to believe, or was it about state rights and the right to self-determination?

Both. Northern opposition to the extension of slavery into the territories and newly formed states was regarded as interference with the southerners' property rights and freedom of movement. But the media eliminate the part about state's rights.

[dblshot]

was the civil war between the American North and South about slavery as the standard talking heads want us to believe, or was it about state rights and the right to self-determination?
Both, states had right to self determination and some (agricultural states) chose slavery. Easy to abolish slavery when you don't really need the cheap labor. That said not that many people in the South owned slaves, the Antebellum plantation was a giant farm owned by mostly english moneyed gentry with lots of political clout. The large Scots-Irish population in the south was lower class. There is a saying that bad cases make bad law and slavery a bad case has made states rights 'bad' law.

[AlexW]

“Since we’re into Southerners vs Northerners, we might want to ask again -— was the civil war between the American North and South about slavery as the standard talking heads want us to believe, or was it about state rights and the right to self-determination?”

You are right.
I was born in Memphis, and my parents had been from Atlanta.
I consider myself a true southerner.
As with many, however, my ancestors arrived in the north
from Scotland and Ireland.
My only notable ancestor was Uncle Sam, a great great great uncle.
He became famous when he was selling pork to the US army
in the war of 1812.
Some of his family migrated south into Georgia.
My mother’s Irish family settled in Kentucky.

Slavery was just a side note to the reason for the civil war.

[Mr Ramsbotham]

Since we’re into Southerners vs Northerners, we might want to ask again -— was the civil war between the American North and South about slavery as the standard talking heads want us to believe, or was it about state rights and the right to self-determination?

If only we had some kind of documents from the time that listed the reasons why the various states seceded--only then could we answer that question. As it is, we can only speculate.

[Non-Sequitur]

Since we’re into Southerners vs Northerners, we might want to ask again -— was the civil war between the American North and South about slavery as the standard talking heads want us to believe, or was it about state rights and the right to self-determination?

A state's right and determination to do what?

[Jemian]

state rights and the right to self-determination

My first ancestor arrived on these shores in 1649.

[rhombus]

Since we’re into Southerners vs Northerners, we might want to ask again -— was the civil war between the American North and South about slavery as the standard talking heads want us to believe, or was it about state rights and the right to self-determination?

Are sanctuary cities about taking advantage of illegals or are they about self-determination?

[ladyL]

States Rights

[fortheDeclaration]

It was about self-determination, the self-determination of the Negro not to be a slave.