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New York’s property tax nightmare
Times Union ^ | October 3, 2010 | BOB PORT and JAMES M. ODATO

Posted on 10/03/2010 12:55:51 PM PDT by NYer

Slowly, over the last decade, the American Dream of homeownership has turned for many New Yorkers into a nightmare of property taxes growing out of control.

For three decades, private and public studies have identified high taxes on real estate as a major threat to the state’s economy. Nationwide comparisons consistently put several New York counties, mostly upstate, among the most taxed anywhere. It’s a distinction shared with some counties in New Jersey, where a taxpayer revolt has begun to shift the state’s politics.

Five-figure annual tax bills on the best real estate have become a reality, driving retired New Yorkers to give up their longtime homes and rethink their lives, and forcing families to scrimp and defer dreams.

Even while the Consumer Price Index — a measure of our ever-rising cost of living — grew at a pace of only a few percentage points annually in recent years, growth of the property tax burden upstate has hovered close to 7 percent a year. Over the last decade, outside New York City — where a city income tax keeps the property tax low — the property tax burden has grown at a rate double that of wage growth.

People and businesses are being squeezed. Projections of what will occur to local tax burdens without major reform generate one chart after another with lines that shoot up geometrically vertical.

“We’ve gotten ourselves in this situation of unsustainability,” said Stephen Acquario, executive director of the New York State Association of Counties. “Albany is setting the property tax levy all across the state.”

The median annual tax bill for much of New York City’s suburbs has now risen above $8,000, and it is commonplace for owners of large or modern homes in Westchester and Nassau counties, which border the city, to owe more each year in property tax than the cost of a new car. Elsewhere upstate, where home values are lower, the tax burden is proportionally just as harsh.

In fact, “outside New York City” is the asterisk for all property tax debate and the statistics discussed here, because that’s where the problem is — much of it driven by a state legislature dominated by city interests, which mandates what local governments do without providing money to pay for it. Public schools account for almost two-thirds of local property tax burden outside New York City, and their annual costs per student now range from about $15,000 to $25,000 per year, far above the national norm.

Property taxes also support county government, but that comprises just one-fifth, roughly, of the typical property tax bill. Even so, that is now 79 percent above the average nationally, with 90 percent of the dollars raised mandated by state law — mostly to support the Medicaid coverage that costs more than in any other state.

But despite numerous gubernatorial, legislative and comptroller reports proposing fixes, almost nothing has been done.

But a grassroots attack on property taxes is growing. Proposals for tax caps, income-based tax breaks, government consolidations and widespread cost-cutting are in such demand now that this fall’s candidates for statewide offices — even for attorney general — are making the issue mainstream. Politicians on the right and the left alike promise they will bring about change.

But even with New Yorkers paying, by some measures, up to 40 percent of their income to sustain schools and local governments and help raise $45 billion in local property taxes statewide, activists are not so confident politicians will actually go to bat for them. They point to heavy lobbying and influence by supporters of the current structure, particularly from unions for public employees and teachers.

Said former Nassau County Executive Thomas Suozzi, who led a 2008 commission that recommended dramatic changes: “There are people that benefit from the status quo, and the benefits they receive from the status quo will not occur from a reformed system.”

The Legislature is in denial, said Stephen Berger, an investment company operator who headed a state commission on health care reform, which has led to hospital consolidations and closings.

“Nobody understands how broke we are,” Berger said. “Unless we start really cutting spending, we’re going to be in the toilet and they’re going to flush it.”

Suozzi has been calling for changes for years. The key recommendation of his commission is now at the heart of the debate: installing a cap on how much school districts and local governments can raise taxes each year.

He likes the one Attorney General Andrew Cuomo proposed late this summer after he began his campaign for governor: a cap at 2 percent growth of the tax levy or at the inflation rate, whichever is lower.

Gov. David Paterson earlier proposed a 4 percent cap. The state Senate overwhelmingly passed a bill in March to impose that 4 percent cap or 120 percent of the inflation rate, plus a “circuit breaker” – providing a substantial tax break based on a property owner’s household income, so that property owners making $150,000 and below would be spared a full bill.

The cost to the state for the circuit breaker relief would be about $1.3 billion a year, said state Sen. Jeff Klein, a Democrat representing parts of the Bronx and highly taxed Westchester County, who sponsored the bill. It gained no traction in the Democrat-dominated Assembly, so he introduced a tax cap bill alone in August and all but one senator, Sen. Bill Perkins, D-Harlem, a favorite of the New York State United Teachers, voted in favor. Again, however, the Assembly declined to take up the measure.

“The problem is well known; The public is very supportive of a property tax cap and the same problem we have in Albany in many different areas is what’s holding this up,” said Suozzi. NYSUT leaders and others, such as Assemblyman Richard Brodsky, D-Westchester County, say a tax cap won’t cure the problem because it still would allow taxes to grow. For instance, Brodsky notes, a 4-point cap all but assures 40 percent growth in taxes in a decade.

But Suozzi argues it is necessary to set a limit to bring about a serious discussion on what else needs to be done — namely, finding efficiencies from things like school district consolidations and more shared services.

Klein said his combination of tax cap and circuit breaker is the answer, but the tax cap is a necessary component. Otherwise, too many people would be eligible for the circuit breaker to make it even remotely affordable. He calls for paying for the relief by extending the temporary income tax increase on high-earning New Yorkers, which is set to at the end after 2012, and by drawing on revenues the state hopes to raise by taxing the sales of cigarettes by Native American merchants to non-Indians. Both ideas come with political risks and uncertainties.

Suozzi’s panel also strongly recommended school district mergers, starting with any district with fewer than 2,000 students, which is more than half the state’s 700 districts. Suozzi said countywide districts would cut spending on administrators and back-office operations and encourage sharing of expensive services, such as special education programs.

But the school consolidation idea, regardless of the savings, ignites protest.

“That’s like a third rail with potential negative voltage,” said Assemblyman Steve Englebright, a Long Island Democrat who has partnered unsuccessfully with various senators on property-tax relief bills.

It is unfair to frame the Assembly as hostile to tax relief proposals, Englebright said, because members are reflecting the will of their constituents, most of whom do not want to see their school district or town merged with a neighboring taxing authority.

“That’s the irony,” Englebright said. “People are demanding that we lower their property taxes, but the first tool to go to is something they find distasteful, that they don’t want to be part of. What’s a legislator to do? Or a candidate for governor to do?”

Another relief strategy calls for getting more taxable property on the rolls. That means making it tougher for non-profit organizations, including hospitals, colleges and religious organizations, to gain tax-exempt status. A 2003 study by a panel led by Sen. John Bonacic, R-Mount Hope, and Sen. Betty Little, R-Queensbury, led to a series of bills such as one that would force nonprofits to annually prove their properties were being used for a purpose associated with the tax-exempt status.

Sen. Liz Krueger, D-Manhattan, updated the study at the end of 2009 and showed that the earlier report did little to stem the problem. Indeed, more properties came off the rolls, as lawmakers worked to get more and more of their constituents a break. Today more than $805 billion in property valuation statewide is off the tax rolls, leaving $1.8 trillion in valuation available for taxation in the state. Among the exempt properties was $26.2 billion belonging to religious institutions, according to the state Office of Real Property Tax Services.

Bonacic and Little argue that the laws are too generous to nonprofits. They cite people living in tax-exempt properties, who they argued should pay tuition to school districts, and universities that own Adirondack camps that escape taxation.

“We want to make sure the properties are being used,” Little said. “If they are not being used they should be on tax rolls or sold.”

Bonacic said a fix, such as a constitutional change to reduce the number of entities that get automatic tax exemptions, is beyond his grasp because the Assembly’s ruling Democratic conference is dominated by downstate members, who are unmoved by suburban and upstate complaints about property taxes.

Asked why nothing has happened with relief ideas proposed, Bonacic said: “I’ll give you two words: Shelly Silver,” the Manhattan Democrat who is speaker of the Assembly. Silver would not take calls on the issue for this story.

Klein, who served for 10 years under Silver in the Assembly, did not dispute Bonacic’s assertion. He responded that the speaker needs to take the concerns of non-New York City members to heart. “It’s a political issue as well as a legislative issue,” Klein said.

Others blame special interests with clout. Asked why tax relief bills die in Albany, Andrea Vecchio, a director of anti-tax group Long Islanders For Educational Reform, offered a formulation like Bonacic’s, but with a different villain: “Two words would work: teachers’ union, and the influence of.”

She said she’s been fighting for relief for 20 years and her outrage has made her take note of Carl Paladino’s gubernatorial campaign. Paladino calls for deep cuts in spending, rather than caps on tax growth.

“The fact that everybody’s for a tax cap scares the life out of me, because that means something’s wrong,” said Vecchio, of East Islip.

Berger thinks a commission for school and municipal consolidations is needed, which might operate like the one he led earlier this decade that dealt with the politically difficult decisions of hospital and nursing home closures. Lawmakers don’t like such commissions because they lose control.

“A fiat from a commission in Albany is the last thing this state needs,” said Richard Iannuzzi, president of the 600,000-member NYSUT, the state’s dominant teachers’ union. He said the state must work on an income-based relief measure for individual property tax payers and figure out a way to pay for it.

But paying for anything is a problem. Both Paladino and Cuomo are talking about attacking spending, noting multibillion-dollar budget shortfalls projected for years to come. Against that backdrop, property tax relief may be in line only after the deficits are erased.

Despite widespread agreement that something must be done, any quick action appears highly unlikely, said Assembly Majority Leader Ron Canestrari, D-Cohoes.

“We’re all against higher real property taxes,” Canestrari said. “But I don’t know how you fashion a solution that either doesn’t cost the state a lot of money or doesn’t impose a huge burden on local governments.” He said he is warming to the concept of a circuit breaker somehow paid for with income taxes and other broad-based taxes, rather than from real estate assessments. But the state may not be in a position to pay for such relief for a while, he said.

“We can’t support the programs we have,” Canestrari said. “An issue this complicated has to be left to a new governor the first of the year. This is a three-month debate, at the least.”

As more people recognize the danger of ignoring the complex issue, efforts to shape a broad-based fix are drawing increasing attention. Some advocates echo Gioia Shebar, coordinator of Taxnightmare.org, one of several groups statewide joined as part of the Omnibus Tax Consortium. Shebar notes that New York’s dysfunctional government as a whole needs to cooperate.

“People are taking this issue with property taxes to do a lot of bad stuff,” said Shebar. “Teacher bashing, union bashing, public worker bashing, is not the answer.”

She and her husband, Charles, each in their late 70s, are retired New York City teachers, who relocated 15 years ago to Ulster County. They pay $9,600 a year in school taxes. The high costs mean their community cannot be as economically and ethnically diverse as the Shebars would like.

Her group likes Sen. Eric Scheiderman, D-Manhattan, who is running for attorney general, because he was an early supporter of the omnibus tax relief bill and one of the few Democrats to defy leadership and vote against the tax cap bill, which Taxnightmare followers describe as “fluff.”

Her group wants a circuit breaker for immediate relief and a total overhaul of the property assessment system. They also call for a serious look at tax exemptions, for more school consolidations and for a state takeover of the Medicaid costs borne by counties. Only with such a unified approach, Shebar says, can the problem be solved.

“People are bleeding together,” she said.


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To: Hojczyk
Even if you get Paladino..what can he do...most of the property taxes are local..you need to start at the local level...in Florida were are cutting the budgets teachers and government workers are getting laid off..there are way to many and we cannot afford it..
21 posted on 10/03/2010 1:21:22 PM PDT by Hojczyk
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To: NYer

I’m in Texas and my property taxes have gone from what amounted to 2 WEEKS of take home pay to 2 MONTHS of take home pay (same job with pay increases) in about 10 years. I grew up in this house and thought I would live the rest of my life here. For the past few years, I’ve struggled to make the tax payments. Now that we’re retired, I honestly don’t know how we’re going to manage it.


22 posted on 10/03/2010 1:25:37 PM PDT by bgill (K Parliament- how could a young man born in Kenya who is not even a native American become the POTUS)
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To: listenhillary

Basically I live here and am beyond livid.


23 posted on 10/03/2010 1:26:18 PM PDT by GlockThe Vote
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To: NYer
Pensions for union teachers from Public schools account for almost two-thirds of local property tax burden outside New York City, and their annual costs per student now range from about $15,000 to $25,000 per year, far above the national norm.

Fixed.


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Smiling takes 6.
Pulling this trigger takes 2.
I'm lazy.

24 posted on 10/03/2010 1:27:27 PM PDT by The Comedian ("Progressive" is a code word for "Pending nitrogen cycle contributor")
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To: riri; Liz; eastsider; The Mayor; skully
Why does anyone stay there?

Because New York is our home. The feckless leave; the veritable New Yorkers remain to resolve the problems that effect the state.

25 posted on 10/03/2010 1:31:18 PM PDT by NYer ("God dwells in our midst, in the Blessed Sacrament of the altar." St. Maximilian Kolbe)
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To: NYer
the property tax burden has grown at a rate double that of wage growth.
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Property taxes = government schools!

Behind every property tax is a government school and piggy teachers whose salaries, pensions and gold plated benefits have grown faster than those in the non-government workforce.

The only way to drive down property taxes is to move toward vouchers, charters, and tax credits. Then work to completely privatize K-12 education.

By the way, what ever your government schools says it takes to educate a child DOUBLE that figure. Government schools have accounting practices that would make an Enron accountant blush.

26 posted on 10/03/2010 1:36:13 PM PDT by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are not stupid.)
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To: NYer

Tell teachers that they have to teach classes with 30 or 40 students in each class. Then lay off the surplus teachers. Works fine in the Catholic schools.


27 posted on 10/03/2010 1:36:46 PM PDT by Inwoodian
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To: Cicero

Our property taxes here are choking us. :(


28 posted on 10/03/2010 1:38:53 PM PDT by Nachum (The complete Obama list at www.nachumlist.com)
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To: calex59; Liz; eastsider; The Mayor
the owner is taxed on the price of the house

I believe you mean the 'value' of the house in the current marketplace. Since that value shifts, based on the economy, a better solution must be found. One of the most egregious examples of this methodology occurred a few years ago in Lake George. What had been a sleepy village community surrounding a lake, swelled into pricey lake front properties as more and more downstaters discovered the natural beauty of the Adirondacks. It didn't take long before the town realized it could capitalize on their newfound attention. They commissioned a property reevaluation. Suddenly, family properties that had been passed down from one generation to the next, were now subject to new assessments. Tragically, some of these families were forced to sell their properties because they could not afford the increased valuation taxes imposed on them.

29 posted on 10/03/2010 1:39:34 PM PDT by NYer ("God dwells in our midst, in the Blessed Sacrament of the altar." St. Maximilian Kolbe)
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To: Tawiskaro
The online article does not provide a link to Paladino's comments on property taxes. While Cuomo supports a tax cap, Paladino proposes a tax reduction. Go Paladino!
30 posted on 10/03/2010 1:41:06 PM PDT by NYer ("God dwells in our midst, in the Blessed Sacrament of the altar." St. Maximilian Kolbe)
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To: bgill

I’m also in Texas and this article could have been written about almost any middle class or affluent area in our state. We may not have a state income tax but we make up for it with our property and sales taxes.


31 posted on 10/03/2010 1:42:47 PM PDT by McLynnan
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To: NYer

The only solution is an amendment that makes property taxes illegal and unconstitutional. I did mean the value but the value is set by the government so the homeowner is at the mercy of government stooges.


32 posted on 10/03/2010 1:44:40 PM PDT by calex59
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To: NYer

The only solution is an amendment that makes property taxes illegal and unconstitutional. I did mean the value but the value is set by the government so the homeowner is at the mercy of government stooges.


33 posted on 10/03/2010 1:45:12 PM PDT by calex59
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To: riri

No they should stay. They should certainly NOT MOVE to NC.
They move to nice places like Fl and NC and bring their idiot big government big spending ways with them.


34 posted on 10/03/2010 1:46:58 PM PDT by Kozak (USA 7/4/1776 to 1/20/2009 Reqiescat in Pace)
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To: therightliveswithus

The damn politicians and judges don’t seem to think so.


35 posted on 10/03/2010 1:48:54 PM PDT by alice_in_bubbaland (Professional Politicians are a Threat to the Republic! Remove them on 11-2-10!)
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To: NYer
the veritable New Yorkers remain to resolve the problems that effect the state.

Doesn't sound like that's happening because it's getting worse... :(

36 posted on 10/03/2010 1:49:21 PM PDT by LaineyDee (Don't mess with Texas wimmen!)
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To: riri
Why does anyone stay there?

We Can't afford to live here ... We Can't Afford to LEAVE!!

37 posted on 10/03/2010 1:58:07 PM PDT by gwilhelm56 (Liberals...if they had a brain, they'd take it out and Play With It!)
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To: The Comedian
and their annual costs per student now range from about $15,000 to $25,000 per year, far above the national norm.
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Double that amount! Government school bureaucrats are slicker than snot when it comes to creative accounting.

For instance, our state does not include retired school employees as a school expense. This item is hidden under the general fund of “retired state worker”! Then there are all the services used by the schools that are never accounted for. In our county the police roaming the halls are not a school expense. We have a new 70 million (Yes! $70 MILLION) dollar high school. It is considered a bond issue and a county improvement and is NOT found under the schools’ expenses.

Government schools.?....Work to get rid of them. How?

Answer:

1)Vouchers, tax credits, and charters to build the private infrastructure.

2) Outlaw teacher unions ( as well as **ALL** government unions). They already have civil service protections. That should be enough!

3) In Los Angeles, the teachers in one high school voted to become a Green Dot charter. We should encourage this.

4) Move all sports to the county departments of recreation. This will transfer the “rah rah” support for the schools to the counties. Then move to completely privatize sports. Many citizens support the government schools because the government is essentially running tax supported bush leagues for the major leagues.

5) As students move into private settings, gradually expect the parents to take on more and more responsibility for their child's education. Eventually move to a completely private system with charity paying for the poor. Amend the state constitutions if necessary.

6) As the process develops **DEMAND**MASSIVE** tax reductions!

When I drive by a government school I see a structure that resembles a prison and treats children (who have committed no crime) like prisoners. They are GODLESS, socialist-funded, compulsory, price-fixed monopoly cartels, and government owned and run. Also,... these corrupt institutions also trash every First Amendment right and freedom of conscience!

Simply by attending children learn to be comfortable with:

GODLESSNESS

Socialism

Government compulsion

Government ownership and management of their lives. ( Why should we be surprised that the government will soon have Death Panels to compel our deaths as well?

Government take overs of industry, fascist hyper-regulation, and creation of government price-fixed cartels!

Government abuse of citizen constitutional rights.

38 posted on 10/03/2010 2:03:53 PM PDT by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are not stupid.)
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To: Tawiskaro

Every time I see this photo, I think it’s Alan Alda.


39 posted on 10/03/2010 2:18:56 PM PDT by 1_Rain_Drop
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To: NYer

Government **RENT** that is what property tax really is. It is time we started calling it by its true, and most descriptive name!

Fail to pay your government rent and armed sheriffs will soon be at the door to evict you.


40 posted on 10/03/2010 2:27:14 PM PDT by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are not stupid.)
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