Posted on 10/03/2010 9:12:54 AM PDT by kristinn
ABC News' Christiane Amanpour has done a great service today with her panel discussion on whether America should fear Islam.
Thanks to guests Franklin Graham, Robert Spencer and Peter Gadiel refusing to submit to Allah and political correctness, and the brashness of Anjem Choudary, Americans watching broadcast television have learned more about Islam in the hour long show than many have in the nine years since 9/11.
Franklin Graham was unapologetic in his stance on Islam, however he differentiated between Islam the religion and Muslim people. Gary Bauer and Ayaan Hirsi Ali also deserve credit for speaking truth to Islam on the broadcast.
AMANPOUR: I would like to go to Reza Aslan, who is joining us from Amsterdam, and who is a scholar on these matters. Reza, you have heard just right now several points raised. One is that Muslims in this country are trying to bring Sharia law. Is there a shred of evidence for that?
REZA ASLAN, WRITER, "THE DAILY BEAST"/author: No, not a single shred whatsoever. I think somebody needs to remind Franklin Graham that we don't judge our values in the United States by comparing them to what the Saudis do. This is a common refrain that you hear from a lot of anti-Muslim activists in the United States, including Robert Spencer, that, well, if, in Saudi Arabia, you can't have a church, then, therefore, in the United States, you shouldn't be allowed to have mosques. This is an appalling and laughable argument.
GRAHAM: You know we can have an argument -- but I'm not here to argue. As a Christian, I believe that Jesus Christ is the way, the truth and the life and that no man comes to the father in heaven except through him. I don't believe in Islam. I don't believe a word of it. I do respect their right to -- to believe whatever they want to believe. My opinions are not based on hearsay. My opinions are based on 50 years of working in Middle Eastern countries. I'm 58. I was -- eight years old when I made my first trip to Egypt. And I've been to Syria, Lebanon, Jordan, Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan, Sudan, Somalia. I've worked in these countries. But I disagree, Christiane, with -- with the Sharia law, because they do stone women. They do imprison -- I -- I've worked in the Sudan, where they've burned over a thousand churches -- a thousand.
... GRAHAM: When we talk about -- there are millions of Muslims in this world that are wonderful people, who don't beat their wives, who don't practice honor killings--
AMANPOUR: Why do you call it a wicked religion, an evil religion?
GRAHAM: I think to -- to take your daughter, because you think that -- and the religion gives you the authority -- Sharia gives you the authority for honor killing. And we saw the young girl in Ohio just a few--
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KHAN: Well, this -- this particular center will create a counter-momentum against extremism, because it will amplify the voices of moderate Muslims, which have gotten drowned out over the years by the extremists, because the extremists did not only hijack the planes, they hijacked an entire religion.
AMANPOUR: Let me just say stop you there for a second, because this side is obviously the side that says one shouldn't fear and that there are moderates and the whole religion should not be painted with the same brush. I want to, though, now go to Anjem Choudary in London. You have said that you think there should be Islamic domination. Why shouldn't people be afraid of that?
CHOUDARY: Well -- well, let me just say that Islam has a solution for all of the problems that mankind faces. If you want to live at peace with Muslims, we are quite willing to live at peace with you. But let us remember that history did not begin on 9/11. Before 9/11, the Americans -- the American government bombed Sudan and Afghanistan. They were supporting the pirate state of Israel. So 9/11 was a reaction. You know, I think that we need to get away from the stereotyping. And this idea that you have moderate Muslims and you have radical Muslims, you know, it's complete nonsense. A Muslim is the one who submits to the command of the creator. If he submits, he is a practicing Muslim. If he is not, then he should be practicing.
DAISY KHAN: I have to disagree with him, because Islam is a religion of pluralism that embraces all religions and it also embraces different interpretations. This is why we have so many schools of thought. What Anjem is talking about is an exclusivist view of Islam, which is my way or the highway. And my interpretation is the only interpretation--
CHOUDARY: It's very easy for people to justify the fact that they're not practicing. I mean, this lady in your studio, she should be covering with the hijab. She's obviously not practicing --
(CROSSTALK)
CHOUDARY: There are many people who are justifying -- there are many people who are justifying the inability to practice the Sharia, to say, "Well, I have a different form of religion." You know, people want to claim that they're vegetarians and they're eating big beef burgers. You can not be a non-practicing vegetarian. Therefore, similarly, if you're a Muslim, you submit to the Sharia.
FRANKLIN GRAHAM: He's telling the truth.
AMANPOUR: You see, Reverend Graham says you're telling the truth. So, do you agree with Reverend Graham and our panelists on this side that Americans should fear Islam?
CHOUDARY: we do believe, as Muslims, the East and the West will one day be governed by the Sharia. Indeed, we believe that one day, the flag of Islam will fly over the White House. Indeed, there's even an oration of the Prophet where he said, "The day of judgment will not come until a group of my oma... -- "
DONNA MARSH O'CONNOR: Can I just -- ?
CHOUDARY: "Conquer the White House."
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AMANPOUR But is it a question now of, basically, tarring or conflating, confusing everyone, 1.57 billion Muslims around the world, with that minority group who would do harm and who would cause violence?
GADIEL: I do not say that Islam is evil. I say there is a lot of evil connected with it. That is a problem for Muslims themselves. They have to cure the problem. We're supposed to believe Ms. Khan here, that she can cure the problems of Islam at the fringes. The problem goes to the core, and that is the countries -- you cannot ignore Saudi Arabia and Iran, and the other countries that, undoubtedly do oppress people of a different religion --
AMANPOUR: But we're talking about -- we're talking about America here.
GADIEL: We're talking about right now a very small number of people in this country. And what we are afraid of, is that as the number grows, the violence will grow, as we have seen in Holland, and as we see in Germany, and as we see in England. Do we have a reason to be afraid of Muslims right now? No, the number's not very great. But your mosques, moderate, wherever they are, have been infiltrated and have a history of being infiltrated by radicals. And you can't deny it. And you may, for all I know, not be a moderate you pretend to be, because you may be engaging in takia and be engaging in lying for the purpose of furthering your religion.
(LAUGHTER)
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ASLAN: Well, it comes from the - an organization, a neo - not - what the E.U. refers to as the neo-Nazi organization called Stop Islamization of Europe. And that kind of institutionalized Islamophobia is precisely what your organization, Stop Islamization of America, is importing into the United States. And honestly, you're on the wrong side of history. And very soon, in a couple of decades, you will be sweeped and your ideas will be sweeped into the garbage bin of history, along with the anti-Semites of the 20th century and the anti-Catholics of the 19th century.
(APPLAUSE)
SPENCER: Here again, Reza Aslan is displacing responsibility and trying to act as if this is something that I am doing that is illegitimate, or something that I have created. When actually, you look at the writings of 20th century -- muslim brotherhood theorists like and people like Madudi in Pakistan, the founder of Jamaat-e-Islami -- he says, "Non Muslims have absolutely no right to wield the reins of power in any part of God's earth. And, if they do, it is the believer's responsibility to dislodge them from that power by any means possible."
Christian Amanpour gave everybody room to talk. The Muslims on the panel tried but failed to dispel the truths spoken by those opposed to Islam spreading in America.
If Amanpour was hoping for a kumbaya moment, she didn't get one.
If you had to get the hangover before you could drink too much no one would ever drink too much, yet people who KNOW they will get a terrible hangover still drink too much because they can have the enjoyment before the pain. Humans aren’t nearly as smart as we suppose ourselves to be, are we?
That's a terrific analogy.
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My thoughts on Islam are simple. It isn’t a religion period. It’s a system. An all inclusive system that is political, judicial, fiscal under the guise of religion.
It is a system that is anti American, and therefore NOT compatible with American values period.
The fact that Islamists in the USA, on our turf speak of conquering our White House, our Nation, and get away with such threats with little or no rebuttal from our “leadership” is horrifying to say the least. These people declared war on us thirty years ago, and have been aggressive towards us killing our people since.
This is our country with our established system of governance, our Constitution, and they are attempting to conquer us, and they state unapologetically as much as often as they can. It’s war. It’s war, and I say turn it around, drop the PC, and win the war.
America will be a much better place without Islam. We can recognize all religions, but we can’t recognize all Political systems advocates want to shove down our throats be it Islam, or Marxism.
BLOAT
Yes, it is "madness out there". I, as a Christian, take comfort in knowing that the madness will be vanquished.
Isaiah 5:21: Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!
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In Indonesia two women caned in public & Daisy’s Cons / By Robert Spencer & Daily Telegraph
From Robert Spencer / Jihad Watch
Wednesday night I participated in what turned out to be a jihad whitewashing circus hosted by Christiane Amanpour on ABC. It was part of the “This Week” show and will run at 11AM Eastern on Sunday morning, but I will not be watching, as Amanpour was energetically carrying water for the Islamic supremacists and dissemblers throughout the whole program. One egregious example came toward the end of the taping, when during the question-and-answer session Daisy Khan of the Ground Zero mega-mosque initiative said flatly, “It’s not a mosque.” A 9/11 family member and a member of lower Manhattan’s Community Board 1 then asked to speak, saying repeatedly that Khan was lying, since she had said that it was a mosque during a Community Board hearing. I added, “I was there, too, and I heard her say it was a mosque.” But Amanpour would not allow them a microphone, and actually cut off taping at that point.
That was the worst of it, but more lowlights came mostly from the sleazy Islamic apologist Reza Aslan, who retailed smear after smear of me — but when I tried to reply, Amanpour actually shushed me with her finger to her lips. (I kept talking anyway, but fully expect that that part and others in which I was able to get a word in will end up on the cutting-room floor.)
More on all that presently; in the meantime, this story put me in mind of that show as well, since one panelist — I believe it may have been Daisy Khan herself — invoked Indonesia as a bastion of Islamic moderation, a place where people could see an Islam that was vital, vibrant, and vastly different from the twisted, hijacked version of Osama bin Laden. You know the drill.
And so do Murni Amris and Rukiah Abdullah.
This is the moment two women were publicly caned in Indonesia ’s staunchly Muslim Aceh province on Friday for selling food.
Published: 01 Oct 2010
Hundreds of people gathered to watch as Rukiah Abdullah received two lashes Photo: EPA
Hundreds of people gathered to watch as Murni Amris received three lashes Photo: AFP/GETTY
Murni Amris is escorted by Syariah Police before being whipped at a mosque in the city of Jantho Photo: EPA
The two women were found guilty of selling food during the fasting hours of Ramadan, thereby violating Islamic sharia law.
Hundreds of people gathered to watch as Murni Amris, 27, received three lashes and Rukiah Abdullah, 22, received two at a mosque in the city of Jantho , southeast of the provincial capital, Banda Aceh , Indonesia.
“The two women were found selling rice in a stall at noon during Ramadan. The sharia forbids selling food during fasting hours at Ramadan,” said Marzuki Abdullah, Aceh’s sharia police head.
Ms Amris owned the food stall where Ms Abdullah was selling the rice.
Muslims are supposed to fast from dawn to dusk during the holy month of Ramadan, which took place during August and September this year, but there are exceptions in cases such as illness or pregnancy.
Aceh, on the northern tip of Sumatra island, is one of several areas of Muslim-majority Indonesia where Islamic sharia laws have been adopted.
The conservative province passed a law last year that imposes death by stoning on Muslim adulterers and a law under which homosexuality is punishable by long prison terms.
Correct, but then, something miraculous WILL happen...Again!
One of the individuals on the "This Week" panel is a man by the name of Robert Spencer. He is a scholar of Islam and the Koran and is the author of this book (and others):
Go HERE to see the trailer for the movie Islam: What The West Needs to Know and you will have your eyes opened.
read my post, Spencer was hushed by her
But you must see that the Left and Islam have much that in common....both The Left and Islam see the people are the impediment to their agenda of submitting to them.
I heard a guy on the radio one night on Michael Savage who had a track record of correct predictions and he didn’t want to give the horrific details that would lead up to this happening but under prodding he predicted that someday a mosque would sit where the WH is now.
Savage took him seriously. I came into the interview when it was part way through so all I had to go on was Savage’s apparent respect for the guy. That being said, I happen to know for a fact that some people sometimes do see the future. I know...sounds weird...and that’s why some don’t want to talk about it.
DAISY KHAN: I have to disagree with him, because Islam is a religion of pluralism that embraces all religions and it also embraces different interpretations. This is why we have so many schools of thought. What Anjem is talking about is an exclusivist view of Islam, which is my way or the highway. And my interpretation is the only interpretation—
I want her to show me one version of Sharia that does not call for the dominance of non-Muslims.
One cannot fight an enemy if they don't understand their way of thinking.....and their way of thinking will change with the tide until they have positioned themselves to force Sharia Law on whatever country they have targeted...when their numbers are great enough you can be sure violence will follow.
I think that film about Islam is the in my “instant queue” on my Netflix, so I will see it soon.
I hope my point isn’t misunderstood, and I hope we agree that our freedom of religion means Muslims can practice their faith. But it ends when they want to impose their religious law on us, of course.
I am under NO illusions; Islam is not a “religion of peace” as Dubya liked to say. But at the same time, not ALL Muslims are evil. That is all I am saying.
So called moderate Moslems love the attention...if the issues remain alive and in the media then so does their cause and agenda, meanwhile they operate recruiting the unsuspecting...it is a shared and understood arrangement in the Moselm community until the time when the violent members take over and the so called “moderates” will step back from their initial rolls to “soften the ground”.
Why? He finds it appalling because it's the truth.
I think that would depend on the funding and affiliations. What if it is from the same sources funding terrorism.
The ABC program was very bias. I think she was not expecting what was said.
We are already forced to treat the Koran with greater deference than we do the Bible. That is Sharia and it is already here.
You are not listening to what people are saying or you could not make that statement. It is not about our countries freedoms...it is about them subjecting their agendas under the mask of "freedom" in order to subject us to Sharia Law, which is Islam. Their religious front...and please hear this...does not allow for choice...you cannot use a countries freedom to promote an agenda which subjects people to an agenda and ideology which removes all freedoms.
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