Posted on 10/02/2010 4:36:35 PM PDT by tired_old_conservative
Don't know if it's true, but various sites are reporting that Lakin and his counsel, Paul Jensen, may be parting ways and Lakin may be acquiring an experienced military law counsel
If that is true, better late than never. If nothing else, it could pay dividends in the sentencing phase.
To quote another great movie: “You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.”
Honestly, those last few posts have just been belligerent ignorance on parade. You obviously don't understand how courts work, or you deliberately don't want to understand.
Some friendly advice: you're letting your hatred of Obama make a fool out of you. It's okay to dislike him. It's okay to want him out of office. It's okay to think he's lying about something. But at this point, you're just creating an imaginary world inside your head to keep that hate boiling. That's never healthy.
First , As I have said before, to take the case to court you must have a CERTIFIED CERTIFICATE OF BIRTH. A copy printed off the internet is not admissable in court. A subpoena does not mean that records will be released. The moment it is tried , a “friendly” judge will block it and if the person wants it it will take a lot of money and time to get that subpoena granted.
Honestly, do you think you are convincing anyone around here. I understand court procedures that I've read, and I easily understand everything else that has to do with the law that I've read. Honesty, some of you purported lawyers think your silly obfuscations really make people not understand...that it is too difficult to understand so shut up. You guys are so full of you know what.
Stating things that are factually wrong and simply insisting you are right does not demonstrate understanding of anything.
You got your breakfast, lunch, dinner eaten today. Your gibberish may make it on DU or Politijab, but it doesn’t fly here.
If you did understand post 103 to you, I was describing you. That you are the all knowing Obot Lawyer and you "laymen birthers" just shut up because you don't know what you are talking about. Oh, on the contrary.
Honestly, Mr. Steel, you’re not in a healthy place. If you can’t handle it yourself, there’s no shame in seeking professional help.
Best wishes.
I’m fine. I used about 1/100th of my brain power to hammer your talking points while I fixed a multiple water leak coming from a waterline in my sprinkler system.
First , As I have said before, to take the case to court you must have a CERTIFIED CERTIFICATE OF BIRTH. A copy printed off the internet is not admissable in court. A subpoena does not mean that records will be released. The moment it is tried , a “friendly” judge will block it and if the person wants it it will take a lot of money and time to get that subpoena granted.
A grand jury investigation for fraud or election fraud would be legal grounds for such a subpoena. Grand juries can investigate anything and anyone that a prosecutor chooses to investigate to see if there is evidence that a crime has been committed. If there is enough evidence, then the prosecutor issues indictments. That’s the exact process that US Attorney Patrick Fitzgersld used to bring down and convict Obama’s buddy, Rod Blagojevich in Illinois. The indictments alone led to Blagojevich’s impeachment and removal from office.
Prosecuting attorneys know which judges to go to in order to get a subpoena and some prosecutors (like the current Republican Attorney General of Hawai’i) have independent subpoena power and can subpoena documents all by themselves.
Congressional committees also subpoena documents all the time. President Nixon was brought down and forced to resign because of subpoenas issued for the tapes of his Oval Office conversations. Nixon’s attorneys did attempt to quash the subpoenas, but they failed.
In both cases of a grand jury investigation or a congressional investigation, the taxpayers would be covering the costs of pursuing the aubpoena, not any private individuals needing deep pockets.
If attorneys for Obama or attorneys for the Obama administration’s Department of Justice sought to quash a subpoena, it would look really, really bad for Obama and it would bring worldwide attention to the birth certificate issue as if Obama had something to hide.
That hasn’t happened because in three years since Obama began running for president, no one has sought a subpoena from the Hawai’i Department of Health for Obama’s original birth records.
The question we must all be asking ourselves is why doesn’t obama just release his birth records?. If he and his supporters are so certain that he is not in violation of any Constitutional law ( article 2) then why drag this on for so long. I had to provide certified copies of my children’s birth certificates just so that they could play the local sports program. Should we ask any less of the person sitting in the White House? The American people should not have to force obama to vertify his birth status. IF he was truely a Natural Born American , there would not be any reason for him to withhold his birth records.
That hasn’t happened because in three years since Obama began running for president,
We get BS as usual from you. No, Obama squashed a subpoena to reveal his Occidental school records back in 2009 Obot.
Thank you for that fine use of common sense. Obie’s lack of transparency coupled with his pathological lying leads those that have common sense to the reasonable conclusion that he is hiding something big.
The State Department stooped low enough to lie about evidence concerning his mother’s lost passport records,and the risk they took in doing so, leads one to the conclusion that there is something amiss with Obama.
Obots cannot rationalize those things away no matter how hard they try. They need a double shot of Hopey Changey Koolaid to even try and keep a straight face when they respond with nonsensical garbage and excuses for this farce.
The question we must all be asking ourselves is why doesn’t obama just release his birth records?. If he and his supporters are so certain that he is not in violation of any Constitutional law ( article 2) then why drag this on for so long. I had to provide certified copies of my children’s birth certificates just so that they could play the local sports program. Should we ask any less of the person sitting in the White House? The American people should not have to force obama to vertify his birth status. IF he was truely a Natural Born American , there would not be any reason for him to withhold his birth records.
There is no additional information of a state of Hawai’i long form Certification of Live Birth that is relevant to qualifying as a natural born citizen that isn’t available on the Certificate of Live Birth and the Certificate of Live Birth has an authenticating statement from the Director of the Hawai’i Department of Health.
Anyone who hasn’t accepted the already released information is not going to be satisfied with any additional release of Obama’s birth records.
Do you believe any of the garbage you write? Have Obama give authorization to HDOH to release all his vital records to Fox News. Then we’ll talk. We’re still waiting for Kerry’s records.
Do you believe any of the garbage you write? Have Obama give authorization to HDOH to release all his vital records to Fox News. Then we’ll talk. We’re still waiting for Kerry’s records.
Do you believe any of the garbage you write? Have Obama give authorization to HDOH to release all his vital records to Fox News. Then we’ll talk. We’re still waiting for Kerry’s records.
Ah, so you WOULD trust birth records released UNDER OBAMA’s AUTHORITY. I see.
Since the Governor of Hawai’i, the Attorney General of Hawai’i, the Director of Health and the Registrar of Vital Records have all confirmed the authenticity of Obama’s ORIGINAL birth records, do you REALLY think that a long form birth certificate released now is going to say anything different from what has already been made public?
If you do, I’ve got some oceanfront property to sell you in North Dakota.
And where’s Danae’s 2010 ordered long form? I told you months ago that the state of Hawai’i no longer (since 2001) issues long form certificates. That includes Danae and it includes Barack Obama. The COLB is what she would get and its what Obama gets if he requests a certified copy of his “birth certificate.”
The COLB contains all the constitutionally required information to establish natural born citizen status: place of birth and date of birth. The additional constitutional requirement to become president is 14 years residence in the United States. That’s not found on a birth certificate.
You are insisting that there is no more information on the long form that would affect obama . So, why not release it. obama was billed as the great uniter,the one person that could bring America together.This issue now has 60% of citizens polled being that he was born in Kenya! As the great uniter, you would think that obama would want to quickly resolve the issue by releasing his long form. Several of the lawsuits have attempted to enter in as evidence copies of the birth records for ALL hospitals in Hawaii at the time of obama’s birth. If obama has a true birth certificate from Hawaii , maybe it would explain why his birth was not listed with any Hawaiian hospital. obama’s claim to be born in a Hawaiian hospital is just a claim until he proves otherwise. Of course even with a Hawaiian birth(unlikely) obama still would not be a Natural Born citizen per Article 2 of the Constitution.
Sure, if in our democratic republic the dead do not vote as they did in multiple places during the last election in which 120% of registered voters turned out.No investigations from Holder either.
If fair the ballot box will relieve us from the bullet box.
You are insisting that there is no more information on the long form that would affect obama . So, why not release it. obama was billed as the great uniter,the one person that could bring America together.This issue now has 60% of citizens polled being that he was born in Kenya! As the great uniter, you would think that obama would want to quickly resolve the issue by releasing his long form. Several of the lawsuits have attempted to enter in as evidence copies of the birth records for ALL hospitals in Hawaii at the time of obama’s birth. If obama has a true birth certificate from Hawaii , maybe it would explain why his birth was not listed with any Hawaiian hospital. obama’s claim to be born in a Hawaiian hospital is just a claim until he proves otherwise. Of course even with a Hawaiian birth(unlikely) obama still would not be a Natural Born citizen per Article 2 of the Constitution.
Obama doesn’t care one whit about satisfying the curiousity of those people who would never vote for him in a million years anyway. If he is making a political mistake by not releasing his own personal copy of his original birth certificate (if he has one), so be it. Let him pay the political price for that mistake in the 2012 elections.
If two American citizen parents are required in order to be a natural born citizen, it’s strange then that there have been 73 adjudicated lawsuits challenging Obama’s eligibility including 8 appeals to the Supreme Court of the United States and no Court and no judge or justice has found him to be ineligible.
Two Indiana state courts have already ruled in a lawsuit and appeal specfically aimed at Barack Hussein Obama that two American citizen parents are NOT required .
I have searched and searched and I can find no reference anywhere in the US Constitution to two citizen parents being required in order to be president .
The same term has shown up a number of different times in judges’ decisions describing Obama eligibility lawsuits: “frivolous.”
Sure, if in our democratic republic the dead do not vote as they did in multiple places during the last election in which 120% of registered voters turned out.No investigations from Holder either.
If fair the ballot box will relieve us from the bullet box.
Did the Bush administration’s Justice Department initiate any voter irregularity investigations in the 90 days before the Holder Justice Department took over? Did any states with Republican administrations initiate their own statewide investigations for election fraud?
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