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To: jessduntno
Oh. So he didn’t mean what he said the thirty zillion times he was quoted as being a segregationist? Please.

And how was he different from any other person you would care to name from the period. You insist on judging Lincoln by 21st century standards of racism.

His “magic wand” made habeus corpus disappear!

Can't answer the question, can you? Or won't, one of the two.

I was not in favor of slavery.

Of course you aren't. But if true, then that must mean you were in favor of keeping an entire race in the country as non-citizens without any rights at all since that was the condition that free blacks were in, thanks to a Southern Supreme Court chief justice. So...where is that all that much different than slavery?

I would have let it end here the way it should have. By ballet.

It would have been nice if slavery had ended peacefully in the U.S. Unfortunately a segment of the country decided that defending their institution of slavery and guaranteeing its continuation was worth plunging the country into a protracted and bloody rebellion. Slavery ended badly. But it did end, and millions of people became citizens thanks to Abraham Lincoln and in spite of men like Jeff Davis or Robert Lee.

No, I don’t. He was on the record too long and too often to think anything else.

Cherry-pick quotes and you can make anything seem possible.

1847- On July 26, The Liberian Declaration of Independence was adopted and signed. In it, Liberians charged their mother country, the United States, with injustices that made it necessary for them to leave and make new lives for themselves in Africa. They called upon the international community to recognize the independence and sovereignty of Liberia. Britain was one of the first nations to recognize the new country. The United States did not recognize Liberia until the American Civil War.

And your point is? Other than confirming what I said?

Which speech? He gave so many in support of segregation that there isn’t enough bandwidth to support them all.

The speech that quote came from. I realize you get all your stuff off of Lost Cause websites but the fact that they are all part of larger documents or addresses. The one in question came from Lincoln's speech on opposition to the Kansas-Nebraska Act and was given in Peoria in October 1854. Look it up if you don't believe me.

How about this one. I will anxiously wait your response as to how this is taken out of context. Note the date, the Eulogist and the WHOLE paragraph...

And the point of it is what exactly? I've never denied Lincoln's support for voluntary colonization, only your claim that he wanted to forcibly remove them. And I don't see anything in there that contradicts my point or supports yours.

435 posted on 10/02/2010 2:45:56 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur (Hey mo-joe! Here's another one for your collection.)
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To: Non-Sequitur

“And the point of it is what exactly? I’ve never denied Lincoln’s support for voluntary colonization...”

This was not a speech that included the word voluntary. And neither was the other speech. And neither are the many others he made that you know are out there. Keep lying.

I don’t know why you NEED to defend him, BUT YOU SURE LOOK DESPERATE. I’m gonna go play golf now. You stay here and try to rewrite some more history for us. I’ll be back to laugh at you some more.

I was not in favor of slavery.

“Of course you aren’t. But if true, then that must mean you were in favor of keeping an entire race in the country as non-citizens without any rights at all since that was the condition that free blacks were in, thanks to a Southern Supreme Court chief justice. So...where is that all that much different than slavery?”

Get a little mustard for that pretzel logic of your, Boo Boo.

Let me guess, you teach lefty college students and can baffle them with bullshit all day long and think you can do it here, too? Or is it the idea that your precious “Great Emancipator” was just another pol that got swung hard by the leftists of his day and didn’t stand up to them?

They HAD to force a crisis ... you know, something too good to waste? ... and kill half a million American soldiers (the southern soldiers MUST have been Americans, cause you insisted they were), 100K+ (approx.) of CIVILIANS, when the whole world abandoned slaving within the next decade?

You really are stupid. You act as if there was no other choice but “slavery forever” instead of your war of aggression that destroyed a Republic. Congratulations, you won. The Republic was scrapped. That’s working out pretty well for all of us.

The Constitution shredded and we are enjoying a wonderful relationship between the races. Especially in the North, where the freedom loving northerners welcomed all the black refugees with open arms. Especially in New England.


440 posted on 10/02/2010 3:38:54 PM PDT by jessduntno (9/24/10, FBI raids home of appropriately named AAAN leader Hatem Abudayyeh, a friend of Obama.)
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