Posted on 09/28/2010 8:02:21 PM PDT by SmithL
Jerry Brown.
Meg Whitman was too canned and promised too much.I am still waiting to see a sign that Whitman understands the issues a layer deeper than her consultant-driven talking points. And when you try to add up her promises, well, they don't add up.
I want a governor who will tell voters what they don't want to hear.
(Excerpt) Read more at sfgate.com ...
“Even Arnold vetoes 50 -60 % of the crazy dem proposed bills”
Got that right! No one ever seems to take about the far left radical legislature California has. To solve anything we need to fire em all....a state house full of Rino’s would be 1000% better than what we have now!
Notice the ads oppossing Able Muldanado for Lt Gov?”
This RINO needs to be rejected after voting with the Dems on the budget last year. The ads, unions, Dems etc, castigate him for voting with Arnold raising taxes, cutting schools, etc.....trouble is Ablel didn’t vote with Arnold, he turned traitor and voted with the Dems, who are now fighting him tooth and nail.....I ain’t gonna lift a finger to save his @$$, no siree, he’s getting what he deserves!
I didn’t vote for Obama like you did troll. Run back to DU and take your buyer’s remorse with you.
You didn’t miss much.
But, I read tonight (somewhere) that UC Davis (that hosted this debate) will make the video available tomorrow.
And yeah — there are more debates to come.
What did I say in my post that would give you the idea that I voted for Obama?
You make the statement implying that if Jerry Brown wins the election that I deserve it. If that’s your reasoning then you deserve Obama, right?
I did not resort to insults when stating my case. I qualified my comments from the start by saying I don't think Whitman is good for the conservative movement.
If you are suggesting that Rupublicans should not abandon fellow Republicans you are talking to the wrong person. I could not agree with you more but that is not the GOP.
For the first time conservative values have a chance nationally at breaking the lock of the country club set on the GOP.
I don't buy Whitman's lines. If she turns out to be what I and many others believe she will be, it will be a major set back for the conservative movement.
You can disagree with that but when you resort to insults in place of reasoned debate you are not worth talking to. However, you are welcome to mark this post and should Whitman a couple of years from now turn out to be a hero you can look me up and I will eat crow.
Everybody’s missing a very important thing: The next Gov has a say in redistricting. Because of the huge number of Congressional seats in CA, if Brown wins the Dems can draw the districts with no Republican influence and give the Dems an extra 8 - 10 seats compared to a fair drawing of the districts.
I posted the write-in thing last night.
And it is just getting steam:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2596727/posts
CA: Karen England - WHY I AM RUNNING FOR LT. GOVERNOR (write-in alternative to Maldonado)
http://www.redcounty.com/content/ca-conservatives-your-task-defeat-republican-abel-maldonado
CA Conservatives, Your Task: Defeat “Republican,” Abel Maldonado
The catastrophe is beyond that stage.
FYI:
TUESDAY: Jerry Brown and Meg Whitman go head to head in the first televised debate of the gubernatorial campaign. The hourlong debate the University of California, Davis Mondavi Center is sponsored by The Bee, KCRA-TV, Capital Public Radio and UC Davis. The debate, which will air on KCRA-TV and Capital Public Radio, kicks off at 6 p.m. Visit Sacbee.com for live coverage of the event.
WEDNESDAY: Democratic Sen. Barbara Boxer and Republican challenger Carly Fiorina sound off in a radio debate sponsored by KPPC Public Radio and La Opinión Spanish-language newspaper. The1 p.m. debate is the second between the two Senate candidates.
SATURDAY: It’s round two (of three televised debates) for Brown and Whitman, as the rivals spar at a daytime debate sponsored by The Fresno Bee and Spanish-language network Univision. That debate will be held at California State University, Fresno, at 11 a.m. and broadcast in Spanish and English on Univision at 4 p.m.
I agree with you on Brown, he will immediately raise taxes and as far as dealing with the unions, with Meg they might negotiate, with Brown, they will dictate. Would have liked to hear her say that she would do what Reagan did, and that is when the air traffic controllers didn’t cooperate, he fired them. I have to vote for her, we have no other choice.
Thanks so much for the CA debate info!
I’m still holding out for selling CA to Mexico...at least the southern half of the state.
Welcome her as a valuable coalition partner and then counsel her greed along paths of righteousness ~ as is traditional.
Not everybody can be pure in mind, body and spirit. Some people have to be smarmy else society doesn't work. God has blessed you with this blockbuster woman who can scatter the broad masses of Democrats and put their anti-democratic leadership elite to the political sword.
(NOTE: This doctrine is reflected in the Old Testament when various "rich guys" become Kings and smite the enemy aliens then eating out the land and impoverishing Israel and Judah ~ the deal worked for hundreds and hundreds of years.)
I guess Moonbeam really shined.
He shed light on the problems of the day....gay rights, free love, unresisted immigration, free money...
Then there is San Francisco and the odor of piss in the streets.... also good
I would take it that when you saw/heard Meg Whitman at the rally, she was like how I see her when she is being interviewed on television.
That’s okay with me. I don’t need rousing words or Greek columns.
What gives you that impression?
Only with federal guarantees of their debt or a massive tax increase will they still be standing.
And even for the votes, I don’t think that the Obama administration would guarantee California’s debt. Once they do it for one state, they have to do it for all states. And there are states that are even bigger basket cases in terms of their debt structure and budget deficits than California - eg, Illinois. I could see Obama flinging money into California with “grants” and “support,” but even that is no longer getting the job done.
The liabilities are *huge* - not just in California, but in at least ten of the fifty states. The pension liabilities are growing and CalPERS’ rate of return on their investments isn’t meeting what they have assumed will be happening going forward. Every year that passes, more public employees retire and draw on CalPERS. This year alone, CalPERS has told the legislature they need an additional $700 million (first call was for $660 million) to stopgap the pension withdrawals in the face of inadequate investment returns. That situation gets only worse every year for the next 10 years as the boomers retire.
As interest rates stay low, the pension funds’ problems in both the public and private sector get worse. Bernanke is exacerbating this pension problem all over the US with his zero-rate policy.
The feds cannot take on the liabilities of these states without forcing the bond rating agencies’ hands - there is no one alive in the markets who would believe that Uncle Sugar is still AAA rated if Uncle takes on these states’ liabilities, even only as guarantees.
The California debt issue is going to come to a head in the next couple of years. Ahnuld has kicked the can down the road just about as far as he can. The only way forward is to either enact a massive tax/fee increase or slash spending in ways that will make liberals howl like ruptured ducks. We know a priori real spending cuts will not ever happen.
So it comes down to big tax increases are in California’s future, which will drive more productive people and businesses out of the state, which will exacerbate their structural fiscal deficit. At best, the tax increases buy California two additional years.
Lather, rinse, repeat.
The only solution to this is a governor like Christie, who is willing to take on the teachers’ unions (and the problem in CA is the same as NJ - it is teachers, and spending on “education”) and fight to win, rather than draw. Whitman isn’t going to be that person. We know Moonbeam isn’t that person.
California is pretty much a dead horse that hasn’t flopped over yet.
At state conventions, she never attends her hospitality suite parties. At costly dinners, she shows up to give her boring speech but doesn't take questions....ever.....and sweeps out of the event immediately following that speech.
Even folks out at Searchlight (a Nor Cal Rep. woman's group) were disappointed, when they had paid to bring her to speak before their group and she gave a very short speech and ran out.
This is a Pete Wilson/Mitt Romney/Ah-nold candidate. it's a very tight group! They are responsible for having pushed out CA conservatives like Bill Simon and Tom McClintock (who is fighting for his seat with limited funds right now!)
Maybe you don't really know all about CA politics from your state of Ohio?
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