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Officer in Costco shooting says man raised gun, didn’t know it was in holster
Las Vegas Sun ^
| 23 Sept 2010
| Cara McCoy, Dave Toplikar
Posted on 09/24/2010 9:34:59 AM PDT by Mr Rogers
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I don't know what type of holster it was, but A) someone trying to commit 'suicide by cop' would have pulled the gun, not the gun in its holster, and B) I'm concerned that the inquiry seems to be focused on suicide by cop rather than focusing on what happened. It is still ongoing, but so far the testimony has come from Costco employees and the closest cop.
It may be the drugs Scott was using clouded his judgment in how to respond, but I don't see any indication that he was trying to force the police to shoot him. Not if he pulled a holstered gun.
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posted on
09/24/2010 9:35:01 AM PDT
by
Mr Rogers
To: Mr Rogers
Step 1) Start with a theory: suicide by cop.
Step 2) Gather evidence in support of theory.
Step 3) Lose any evidence that works against your theory.
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posted on
09/24/2010 9:38:10 AM PDT
by
ClearCase_guy
(Things will change after the revolution, but not before.)
To: Mr Rogers
My B.S. meter just exploded all over the room.
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posted on
09/24/2010 9:38:41 AM PDT
by
S.O.S121.500
(That Kenyan bastard is not my president. ENFORCE the Bill of Rights.)
To: Mr Rogers
The notion that the video cameras all failed makes me more than a little suspicious. One wonders what the cops and Costco are trying to hide that would be revealed by the video. The “malfunction” is a little too convenient here.
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posted on
09/24/2010 9:38:41 AM PDT
by
Blennos
To: Blennos
If the 911 tape vanishes, the fix is completely in.
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posted on
09/24/2010 9:39:38 AM PDT
by
Tijeras_Slim
(Live jubtabulously!)
To: Mr Rogers
At the least, he died from the incompetence of trying to follow multiple commands, getting shot for disobeying one. At the most, it was outright murder by an adrenaline junky.
Cop1: "GET DOWN!"
Cop 2: "TURN TOWARDS ME!"
Cop 3: "DONT MOVE!"
Cop 1: "SHOW ME WHERE THE GUN IS!"
Cop 2: "KEEP YOUR HANDS UP!"
Cop 3" "THROW YOUR GUN OVER HERE!"
BANG! BANG! BANG!
Sad all the way around. Cops should be at least suspended, if not fired. If the tape EVER comes out, I bet the cops could see jail time.
The fact that the tape hasn't come out is the most disturbing aspect of the story.
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posted on
09/24/2010 9:40:33 AM PDT
by
DCBryan1
(FORGET the lawyers...first kill the "journalists". (Die Ritter der Kokosnuss))
To: Mr Rogers
This all boils down to money, pure and simple.
They know the cop blew it when he killed the guy, but to admit it means the guys wife will win a huge judgment by the jury guaranteed.
By backing the cop now they will make the lawyers work for a decent settlement instead of handing it to them on a silver platter.
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posted on
09/24/2010 9:41:25 AM PDT
by
Abathar
(Proudly posting without reading the article carefully since 2004)
To: Mr Rogers
Large amounts of pain killers found during autopsy.
Check.
Video cameras not working.
Check.
The fix is, most definitely, in.
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posted on
09/24/2010 9:41:45 AM PDT
by
Washi
To: Mr Rogers
What is the purpose of the “he pulled a holstered gun” observations. Seems to me it makes little difference in determining whether the shooting was justified.
(1) Some poorly made holsters will come off with the gun when you draw; (2) you can still kill someone else or yourself with a gun that is holster-covered (they aren’t bullet-proof); and (3) I can imagine it would be difficult to recognize from a reasonable distance whether someone was pointing a hostered or unholstered gun at you.
SnakeDoc
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posted on
09/24/2010 9:41:59 AM PDT
by
SnakeDoctor
("Talk low, talk slow, and don't say too much." -- John Wayne)
To: Mr Rogers
This whole thing makes me so angry. When the truth finally comes out about this, I hope Scott’s family sues the pants off both Costco and the employee who phoned in the false report to 911. Where are the surveillance tapes??!
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posted on
09/24/2010 9:42:02 AM PDT
by
ponygirl
(TEA people: First we take out the RINOS. Then we finish off the Socialists.)
To: Mr Rogers
If these cops were real men, they'd admit that they effed up and take their punishment, whatever that may be.
Instead, they have to slander the poor guy they killed.
I can buy that the killing was a mistake without evil intent, but their actions since then are intentional.
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posted on
09/24/2010 9:42:16 AM PDT
by
dead
(I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
To: ClearCase_guy
Scott was totally correct that any gun permit allows the owner to carry a gun in plain sight so long as it is not displayed threateningly. Although legal, it is possibly fatal to do so as this case so well illustrates.
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posted on
09/24/2010 9:43:52 AM PDT
by
luvbach1
(Stop Barry now. He can't help himself.)
To: Mr Rogers
I would like to know if the cops generally yell “Put the gun down” in order to protect themselves in most situations.
That is the impression I got from the little we have heard.
To: Mr Rogers
I'm concerned that the inquiry seems to be focused on suicide by cop rather than focusing on what happened. You may be concerned but are you really surprised?
To: Mr Rogers
Day 2 apparently spent a bunch of time explaining why there will be no video...basically, the machines weren't working, sorry. I think we all saw that one coming.
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posted on
09/24/2010 9:44:16 AM PDT
by
Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus
(is a Jim DeMint Republican. You might say he's a funDeMintalist conservative.)
To: Mr Rogers
First I've heard about Scott having drugs in his system. Sounds like it could be a factor affecting his behavior inside the store. But the Metro Cop's testimony and background is troubling.
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posted on
09/24/2010 9:46:42 AM PDT
by
smokingfrog
(freerepublic.com - Thanks JimRob! The flags are back! - 8/17/2010.)
To: Mr Rogers
It’s not unusual for certain types of holsters to come off with the gun when you pull the gun.
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posted on
09/24/2010 9:46:48 AM PDT
by
ltc8k6
To: Mr Rogers
The picture of assailant Police Officer Mosher accompanying the article must be seen to be believed.
To: Mr Rogers
The following is heard in the 911 call: Put your hands where I can see them now. Drop it! Get on the ground! Get on the ground!Now try complying without getting shot - btw you have about three seconds.
This all stinks so badly... I hope those involved in this coverup fry, if not legally them in their own minds as they contemplate killing an innocent person by accident & lacked the b*lls to admit it.
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posted on
09/24/2010 9:48:07 AM PDT
by
skeeter
To: S.O.S121.500
NV is an incredibly small state. All the authority figures
know each other and probably watch each others backs.
Noone should be suprised that the tapes are missing.
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posted on
09/24/2010 9:48:24 AM PDT
by
rahbert
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