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Red China: Chinese think tank warns US it will emerge as loser in trade war
The Telegraph ^ | 9/14/2010 | Ambrose Evans-Pritchard

Posted on 09/14/2010 1:44:53 PM PDT by bruinbirdman

A State Council think-tank in China has warned Washington that the US will come off worst in a trade war if it imposes sanctions against Beijing over the two nations' currency spat.

Ding Yifan, a policy guru at the Development Research Centre, said China could respond by selling holdings of US debt, estimated at over $1.5 trillion (£963bn). This would trigger a rise in US interest rates. His comments at a forum in Beijing follow a string of remarks by Chinese officials questioning US credit-worthiness and the reliability of the dollar.

China's authorities seem split over how to respond to moves on Capitol Hill for legislation to punish Beijing for holding down the yuan. The central bank has ruled out use of its "nuclear weapon", insisting that it would not exploit its $2.45 trillion of foreign reserves for political purposes. "The US Treasury market is a very important market for China," it said.

However, the mood is hardening on both sides of the Pacific. The dispute risks escalating if China's trade surplus with the US climbs further and more US jobs are lost. US Treasury Secretary Tim Geithner, who has taken a softly-softly line in the past, said on Friday that China had done "very little" to correct the undervaluation of the yuan since ending the dollar peg in June.

Mr Ding reflects thinking among some in the Poltiburo, who seem convinced that the US is in decline and that China's rise as an exporter of goods and capital give it the upper hand.

"They are utterly wrong," said Gabriel Stein from Lombard Street Research. "The lesson of the 1930s is that surplus countries with structurally weak domestic demand come off worst in a trade war."

He described the implicit threat to sell Treasuries as "empty

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Crime/Corruption; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: china; goldbugs; mao; maozedong; marxwouldbeproud; obamao
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To: TwelveOfTwenty
Interesting that you focused on one industry, when there are plenty of others.

Pick another one. What if we only used more expensive steel? Just benefits, no losses?

Besides, from what I've seen most Freepers wish we WOULD drill here.

By all means, we should. Our oil would still be more expensive if we excluded all imports.

Assuming that's correct over the long haul, those costs would go back into OUR economy, not out of the country.

The millions of unemployed, because oil tripled (or more) in price won't be thrilled with your idea.

And how did shipping our jobs overseas help American workers.

I already said I'd like business taxes to be cut, to 0% in a perfect world.

I leave this question for the "drill here" supporters to answer.

I'm sure the drill here supporters don't agree with your idea to just use much more expensive US oil exclusively.

41 posted on 09/14/2010 4:39:11 PM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (Math is hard. Harder if you're stupid.)
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To: 10Ring
That whole Teamster concept really steamed me . . . those guys made more money, didn't have to dryclean or starch their shirts, didn't have to wear a tie, could call-off when they were hungover (if they had the "points" to burn), and worked fewer hours than I.

That, and if they didn't like you (not in my case) they'd throw nuts and bolts at you when you weren't looking . . . and don't get me started on my asshat boss who wanted me to cross their picket line when they went on strike.

42 posted on 09/14/2010 4:44:30 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: Toddsterpatriot
What if we only used more expensive steel? Just benefits, no losses?

We're using more and more cheaper foreign steel and closing American mills. The readers of this thread can judge for themselves how that has worked out.

The millions of unemployed, because oil tripled (or more) in price won't be thrilled with your idea.

My idea is to develop renewable energy. I agree that it's not feasible on a large scale at present (IOW, I'm not a greenie), but the technology will get better in time.

I already said I'd like business taxes to be cut, to 0% in a perfect world.

And I agreed.

43 posted on 09/14/2010 4:51:01 PM PDT by TwelveOfTwenty (Compassionate Conservatism? Promoting self reliance is compassionate. Promoting dependency is not.)
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To: 1rudeboy
Tell me, how many more 50 cent additions to your discretionary spending budget can I add until you start to squeal?

When that happens, you'll be the first to know.

44 posted on 09/14/2010 4:52:14 PM PDT by TwelveOfTwenty (Compassionate Conservatism? Promoting self reliance is compassionate. Promoting dependency is not.)
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To: TwelveOfTwenty

In other words, you can’t answer . . . and you clearly feel more comfortable spending money that does not belong to you.


45 posted on 09/14/2010 4:53:51 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy

I can see that my willingness to buy American really offends you. Tell you what, after I let you know when I start to squeal, I’ll include an apology for this offense.


46 posted on 09/14/2010 4:56:31 PM PDT by TwelveOfTwenty (Compassionate Conservatism? Promoting self reliance is compassionate. Promoting dependency is not.)
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To: TwelveOfTwenty
Speaking of steel, this just in today:

Although Nucor has said it prefers Louisiana over a competing site in Brazil, CEO Dan DiMicco has said the company is waiting on possible global warming legislation in Congress, including a cap-and-trade system on emissions. DiMicco said in May that cap-and-trade would make the Louisiana site economically impossible.
Nucor: Steel business is slowing, profit falling, September 14, 2010.

How's that working out for us? Surely we can spend 50 cents more for steel in order to save our environment.
47 posted on 09/14/2010 5:00:25 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy
I already answered that. I support developing renewable energy, but I don't support the dishonest way this agenda is being pushed by the left.

And I don't support the government forcing it on us over this bogus global warming/climate change "science".

48 posted on 09/14/2010 5:05:21 PM PDT by TwelveOfTwenty (Compassionate Conservatism? Promoting self reliance is compassionate. Promoting dependency is not.)
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To: TwelveOfTwenty

Yes, and you appear to be unaware of the Law of Unintended Consequences. Are you willing to admit that making U.S. products more expensive has a consequence, or not?


49 posted on 09/14/2010 5:06:57 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy
I just agreed with you about government over-regulation (interference) over this global warming "science". How many times do I need to say it?

Now let me ask you something. How do you feel about all of this technology being exported to China so that you can buy a computer for less?

50 posted on 09/14/2010 5:13:23 PM PDT by TwelveOfTwenty (Compassionate Conservatism? Promoting self reliance is compassionate. Promoting dependency is not.)
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To: TwelveOfTwenty

You are still dodging the point. Stop being such a n00b.


51 posted on 09/14/2010 5:14:47 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy
Name calling? Go ahead. I gave my views on the pluses and minuses of laying off Americans and using foreign labor several posts ago. If you don't understand it by now, you won't if I repeat it. I'll let the readers decide.
52 posted on 09/14/2010 5:22:45 PM PDT by TwelveOfTwenty (Compassionate Conservatism? Promoting self reliance is compassionate. Promoting dependency is not.)
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To: bruinbirdman

The Chinese have other markets they can go to... And, the Russians and Europeans are a willing market.


53 posted on 09/14/2010 5:23:01 PM PDT by Thunder90 (Fighting for truth and the American way... http://citizensfortruthandtheamericanway.blogspot.com/)
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To: TwelveOfTwenty
Oh, have a tissue . . . n00bs on econ threads end up getting banned anyway, so you're really not worth the effort. A number of people have tried to explain to you the economic consequences of "spending just 50 cents extra" for something, and you can't grasp it.

In sum, the minus exceeds the plus . . . holding to your talking points won't change it.

54 posted on 09/14/2010 5:26:32 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: bruinbirdman
feh...
55 posted on 09/14/2010 5:35:59 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: jveritas
Last year Hillary and Guitner went to China, put up US Government land as collateral to the Chinese in order to obtain further loans. So legally they could claim that Us Land if the Government reneges on paying them.
56 posted on 09/14/2010 5:38:10 PM PDT by caww
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To: bruinbirdman
"The central bank has ruled out use of its 'nuclear weapon', insisting that it would not exploit its $2.45 trillion of foreign reserves for political purposes. 'The US Treasury market is a very important market for China,' it said."

That Bank and all of the other banks in China are state-owned. The PLA will decide as to when Chinese investments are yanked from the USA.

Vote with your pocketbook. Yes, we're all stuck with buying Chinese products for now. But you don't have to buy from anyone here who uses third-world labor on-site, and you can become far more self-sufficient. Self-sufficiency is the first great step away from dependency on foreign-made goods, even if you purchase foreign-made goods (e.g., tools) to get there. The only way out of this slavery is to stop feeding revenues to the beast of so many facets. Stop the unbridled consumerism.


57 posted on 09/14/2010 5:43:27 PM PDT by familyop (cbt. engr. (cbt), NG, '89-' 96, Duncan Hunter or no-vote.)
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To: gura
America is the king of the information economy - we need to capitalize and consolidate on the future, not the past.

Yes, but we have tens of millions of useless people who can't, or won't be retrained. They need to go away -- die or something -- instead of voting, or rioting and whatnot.

58 posted on 09/14/2010 5:43:38 PM PDT by InternetTuffGuy
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To: caww

Source?


59 posted on 09/14/2010 5:46:07 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: bruinbirdman

The trade war is pretty much inevitable, BTW. A few in our midst would like to put it off, though, until the costs will be highest.


60 posted on 09/14/2010 5:50:18 PM PDT by familyop (cbt. engr. (cbt), NG, '89-' 96, Duncan Hunter or no-vote.)
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