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Red China: Chinese think tank warns US it will emerge as loser in trade war
The Telegraph ^ | 9/14/2010 | Ambrose Evans-Pritchard

Posted on 09/14/2010 1:44:53 PM PDT by bruinbirdman

A State Council think-tank in China has warned Washington that the US will come off worst in a trade war if it imposes sanctions against Beijing over the two nations' currency spat.

Ding Yifan, a policy guru at the Development Research Centre, said China could respond by selling holdings of US debt, estimated at over $1.5 trillion (£963bn). This would trigger a rise in US interest rates. His comments at a forum in Beijing follow a string of remarks by Chinese officials questioning US credit-worthiness and the reliability of the dollar.

China's authorities seem split over how to respond to moves on Capitol Hill for legislation to punish Beijing for holding down the yuan. The central bank has ruled out use of its "nuclear weapon", insisting that it would not exploit its $2.45 trillion of foreign reserves for political purposes. "The US Treasury market is a very important market for China," it said.

However, the mood is hardening on both sides of the Pacific. The dispute risks escalating if China's trade surplus with the US climbs further and more US jobs are lost. US Treasury Secretary Tim Geithner, who has taken a softly-softly line in the past, said on Friday that China had done "very little" to correct the undervaluation of the yuan since ending the dollar peg in June.

Mr Ding reflects thinking among some in the Poltiburo, who seem convinced that the US is in decline and that China's rise as an exporter of goods and capital give it the upper hand.

"They are utterly wrong," said Gabriel Stein from Lombard Street Research. "The lesson of the 1930s is that surplus countries with structurally weak domestic demand come off worst in a trade war."

He described the implicit threat to sell Treasuries as "empty

(Excerpt) Read more at telegraph.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Crime/Corruption; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: china; goldbugs; mao; maozedong; marxwouldbeproud; obamao
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To: UCFRoadWarrior

When you find one, let us “Free Trader Globalists” know . . . I’d like to have some words with him or her.


21 posted on 09/14/2010 2:25:49 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy; bruinbirdman; Mase; expat_panama

The money that is sold abroad is YOU.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cd-SLRyuRq0&feature=player_embedded#!


22 posted on 09/14/2010 2:26:58 PM PDT by wolfcreek (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lsd7DGqVSIc)
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To: wolfcreek

Our government spends too much money? Even more than it takes in? What a shock. How has this secret been kept for so long?


23 posted on 09/14/2010 2:31:25 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy

The popular term would be *non-sustainable*.


24 posted on 09/14/2010 2:34:04 PM PDT by wolfcreek (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lsd7DGqVSIc)
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To: TwelveOfTwenty
to know I'd be saving money over the long haul by buying the US made pen.

Always buying the more expensive product is your recommendation for saving money?

25 posted on 09/14/2010 3:16:39 PM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (Math is hard. Harder if you're stupid.)
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To: TwelveOfTwenty
to know I'd be saving money over the long haul by buying the US made pen.

Always buying the more expensive product is your recommendation for saving money?

26 posted on 09/14/2010 3:16:42 PM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (Math is hard. Harder if you're stupid.)
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To: 1rudeboy
I do think they were in the grocery department, like I said, but the rest of the store is 99.99% Chinese junk.
27 posted on 09/14/2010 3:21:15 PM PDT by org.whodat
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To: org.whodat

99.99%? Are you sure it wasn’t 99.9999%? (As long as you’re being ‘scientific’ about it).


28 posted on 09/14/2010 3:23:18 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: Toddsterpatriot
Always buying the more expensive product is your recommendation for saving money?

Yes, if it means less of my money to pay for someone else's unemployment benefits, and even less because there are more employed people carrying the load.

And yes, if it means my job won't be shipped overseas so I'll have a paycheck to buy those more expensive US made pens with.

29 posted on 09/14/2010 3:40:34 PM PDT by TwelveOfTwenty (Compassionate Conservatism? Promoting self reliance is compassionate. Promoting dependency is not.)
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To: TwelveOfTwenty
Yes, if it means less of my money to pay for someone else's unemployment benefits

What if we only used US produced oil? Current production is about one-third of our usage. Our costs would skyrocket.

Would that be helpful for American workers?

and even less because there are more employed people carrying the load.

I'm sure the number of US oil workers would increase quickly, do you think that would offset the massive job losses in all the other sectors of the economy?

30 posted on 09/14/2010 3:48:13 PM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (Math is hard. Harder if you're stupid.)
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To: TwelveOfTwenty
Yes, if it means less of my money to pay for someone else's unemployment benefits, and even less because there are more employed people carrying the load.

Except for the fact that you will probably be spending 50 cents to save 25 cents, you might have a point.

31 posted on 09/14/2010 3:51:14 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: bruinbirdman
This is what the Chinese communists need to understand:

1. We do not have to pay the debt they hold in our treasury if we decide so because they have no way to force us to pay it and that is why we are called a Super Power in fact the only Super Power in the world.

2. We can stop importing their products and tens of millions of them will die from starvation and they will have a revolution that will topple the evil communist regime.

3. The Chinese communists can go to hell. They are a murderous evil regime that enslaves 1.2 billions of its own people.

32 posted on 09/14/2010 3:58:18 PM PDT by jveritas (God bless our brave troops)
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To: Colvin

Sadly there are a lot of armchair economists who think we should destroy the American economy and standard of living by returning it to the start of the Industrial Revolution.

America is the king of the information economy - we need to capitalize and consolidate on the future, not the past.


33 posted on 09/14/2010 4:06:09 PM PDT by gura (If Allah is so great, why does he need fat sexually confused fanboys to do his dirty work? -iowahawk)
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To: Toddsterpatriot
What if we only used US produced oil?

Interesting that you focused on one industry, when there are plenty of others. Besides, from what I've seen most Freepers wish we WOULD drill here.

Our costs would skyrocket.

Assuming that's correct over the long haul, those costs would go back into OUR economy, not out of the country.

I guess now it as good a time as any to say this, but I'm all for energy independence and developing green, renewable energy sources, but I don't go for the dishonest scare tactics the left uses.

Would that be helpful for American workers?

And how did shipping our jobs overseas help American workers. Are those Americans who would be working at those factories that were closed better off collecting unemployment? What about the call centers that were shipped overseas? Are the Americans who lost those jobs better off, and are you satisfied with the service you get from those foreign call centers?

It's easy to talk about the cost of making things here, but you're not feeling the costs of shipping our jobs overseas yet, because we're borrowing foreign dollars to pay for all of those unemployment benefits. When the bill comes, you'll see how cheap those foreign made pens really are.

I'm sure the number of US oil workers would increase quickly, do you think that would offset the massive job losses in all the other sectors of the economy?

To be honest, I don't know what the cost would be. I leave this question for the "drill here" supporters to answer.

34 posted on 09/14/2010 4:09:53 PM PDT by TwelveOfTwenty (Compassionate Conservatism? Promoting self reliance is compassionate. Promoting dependency is not.)
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To: 1rudeboy
Except for the fact that you will probably be spending 50 cents to save 25 cents, you might have a point.

You'll find out how much that cheaper foreign made lamp really costs when we start paying back all the money we borrowed to pay for those unemployment benefits.

35 posted on 09/14/2010 4:12:29 PM PDT by TwelveOfTwenty (Compassionate Conservatism? Promoting self reliance is compassionate. Promoting dependency is not.)
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To: gura
That's not the problem, really. I jumped from the #4 (at the time, in terms of market share) steel fab company to the #1 steel fab company in the United States, back in the day . . . and the plant I moved to (the company had more than 1, obviously) produced more product with 1/3 of the workers than the plant I left. And the workers at the plant I moved to were Teamsters, while the ones I left were non-union.

I'd go drinking with (whatever shift it was) them after work, and their clothes were as clean as mine . . . this whole idea that the U.S. needs to return to the glory days of the Henry Ford empire (and dirty workers) is a pipe-dream. There are workers who get dirty, still, but not in all manufacturing plants.

36 posted on 09/14/2010 4:22:23 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: TwelveOfTwenty
You'll find out how much that cheaper foreign made lamp really costs when we start paying back all the money we borrowed to pay for those unemployment benefits.

And you'll find out the idiocy of it all when you realize that you spent $100K to "save" a $50K job.

37 posted on 09/14/2010 4:24:12 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy
And you'll find out the idiocy of it all when you realize that you spent $100K to "save" a $50K job.

By spending $0.50 more for a US made notepad? I'm willing to make that sacrifice to keep jobs over here.

38 posted on 09/14/2010 4:30:54 PM PDT by TwelveOfTwenty (Compassionate Conservatism? Promoting self reliance is compassionate. Promoting dependency is not.)
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To: 1rudeboy

You’ve got it all wrong...we need to return to those glory days when 80% of the workforce was in agriculture. There is absolutely no reason why 2% today should do the work of 80% of yesteryear. Taking a bath once a week was pretty cool, too.


39 posted on 09/14/2010 4:37:43 PM PDT by 10Ring
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To: TwelveOfTwenty
Naturally, because it's just you spending the extra 50 cents, not anyone else. And 50 cents sounds cheap (for a pen). Tell me, how many more 50 cent additions to your discretionary spending budget can I add until you start to squeal?
40 posted on 09/14/2010 4:37:58 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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