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In Support of Westboro Baptist [Dr. Terry Jones "burn a Koran" supports Fred Phelps]
Dove World Outreach Center ^ | April 21, 2010

Posted on 09/07/2010 7:28:57 PM PDT by earlJam

Edited on 09/08/2010 2:27:45 AM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]

In Support of Westboro Baptist

By Fran Ingram - Posted on 21 April 2010

On Sunday April 18, Westboro Baptist Church came to Gainesville. One of their stops was a liberal "Open doors, open hearts, open minds," church near us, so we took part of our Sunday Service time and went as a church to stand with them.

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I have been asked most often in the last days about the 'protests' that Westboro does at funerals.

The arguemant (from very angry people with extremely ugly language) is that their attendance at funerals is offensive and a fallen soldier is NOT a sign of God's wrath.

My answer:

Westboro Baptist is not anti-military or anti-USA. Rather the opposite, actually. Do some research. They go to funerals because the Bible says that a fallen soldier is a sign of God's wrath and a reminder of the condition of this world, a fallen world, in sin. We all know that. None of us want to fight wars. We have to, and we honor the fallen for their sacrifice, but funerals are also a chance to repent and get our lives right with God before our own comes along.

The soldier who is already dead knows what's coming, whether they are in heaven or hell. I think they would be glad for the extra reminder to loved ones that they still have time to make a choice and use the rest of their time given here for God rather than wasting it, in a spiritual sense.


Google cache of the Dove World article in support of Westboro Baptist Protests Against U.S. Military

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In Support of Westboro Baptist


By Fran Ingram - Posted on 21 April 2010

On Sunday April 18, Westboro Baptist Church came to Gainesville. One of their stops was a liberal "Open doors, open hearts, open minds," church near us, so we took part of our Sunday Service time and went as a church to stand with them.

We have also learned that when you speak out about what God hates, you will be hated. We do not agree with all of Westboro's methods, but we admire their determination to find radical ways to preach the truth of the Bible, as we do. Most churches and Pastors in America try to stand on neutral ground. They are lost, weak and sick and need to repent.

Senior Pastor Sylvia Jones wrote on facebook:

Today was a historical day! People who did not know each other with nothing in common but the word of God marching in unity and putting the kingdom first, ahead of everything else! What can be more important than saving people from hell? We must stand on the truth, the word of God instead on finding reasons why we cannot be in unity! Yes we can! We can obey God and save people from going to hell!

 

You can find more pictures on our facebook page here...

I have been asked most often in the last days about the 'protests' that Westboro does at funerals.

The arguemant (from very angry people with extremely ugly language) is that their attendance at funerals is offensive and a fallen soldier is NOT a sign of God's wrath.

My answer:

Westboro Baptist is not anti-military or anti-USA. Rather the opposite, actually. Do some research. They go to funerals because the Bible says that a fallen soldier is a sign of God's wrath and a reminder of the condition of this world, a fallen world, in sin. We all know that. None of us want to fight wars. We have to, and we honor the fallen for their sacrifice, but funerals are also a chance to repent and get our lives right with God before our own comes along.

The soldier who is already dead knows what's coming, whether they are in heaven or hell. I think they would be glad for the extra reminder to loved ones that they still have time to make a choice and use the rest of their time given here for God rather than wasting it, in a spiritual sense.

At DWOC we are also very pro-America, pro-Military, AND super, radically concerned about people's salvation. That's why we go after Islam and say it is of the devil - it is anti-Christian and anti-America. In this liberal world, names and labels get thrown about and twisted at random. Don't we all get angry with the media for preaching half truths which amount to lies?
To my Christian friends, get your Bibles out and read the OT Prophets. They were hated too for speaking God's words of truth, then killed. I would rather be right with God than right with facebook friends. Where are you?

And another answer:

If we lived in a sinless, no devil world, there would be no war. We have chosen sin, there are therefore wars, and we all suffer, we all need to repent. I'm OK with your thinking I am sick, but think about the fact that the Bible is what I am talking about, not my own ideas. Don't you think that a fallen soldier reflects some of what is wrong with the world? Not the soldier but the war itself?

What is the point of not making people angry and uncomfortable in this life if that means they go on, clueless, rebellious, straight to hell. I would have to answer to God for that. I am not ashamed of the Gospel of Christ and to stand with other Christians that preach it truthfully. Did the prophets and leaders in the Bible, even Jesus, did they always peach a nice sweet message? Did they always respect the sensibilities and traditions of the people? Think about it. Read your Bibles, people!

I have a Grandfather that died in WWII.  I am proud of his contribution to that war. But he and my family are Christian and eternal salvation is the most important thing on our hearts. We do not think Westboro are hateful. They point out what God hates, desperate, like the Prophets of old that no one go to hell.

Jesus said, in Matthew 7:13,14

"Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it.

That narrow gate is a knowledge of the truth, a fear of God, Jesus Christ's sacrifice on the cross for your sins, repentance from our sins and wickedness, as we are warned throughout the Bible. This is the hope for you, the hope for your family, the hope for our Nation, for the world.

And yes, if my husband died I would be glad if Westboro would come and hold their signs and sing at his funeral. Many people would be shocked, but they might be shocked into a fear of God and a decision for Christ. How will they know if someone does not tell them?

 



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To: omegadawn
maybe we should remind everyone if a American tourist in a arab country is caught with a Bible ,it is seized and burned!!

Why is this not being protested about in America?

Why would anyone in the US protest what goes on in another country? As soon as you walk across the US border, your rights as an American citizen are gone and only exist if the country you are in chooses to give them to you.

If you don't like how they treat Christians in certain countries, don't ever go there.

Other than that, there isn't much we should do. It isn't our right to demand that other nations change any more than it's their right to demand that we change.

41 posted on 09/07/2010 8:29:39 PM PDT by mountainbunny
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To: TopQuark

I think you may be confusing supporting’freedom of speech and expression’ with supporting him.


42 posted on 09/07/2010 8:31:47 PM PDT by HollyB
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To: mnehring

Yes you are over thinking it...

They are burning Korans to illustrate that muslims will go ape shit over it...

And they will...as sure as the sun will rise tommorrow..

Cause and effect....


43 posted on 09/07/2010 8:33:17 PM PDT by Crim (The Obama Doctrine : A doctrine based on complete ignorance,applied with extreme incompetence..)
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To: Crim

That’s a good point, Crim. I TOTALLY agree that ‘moderate’ Muslims should speak out without fear. I’m just questioning the timing and their support of the Westboro Baptist Church.....who I’ve always suspected as a left-wing troll group......to make Christianity look bad.


44 posted on 09/07/2010 8:33:56 PM PDT by RushIsMyTeddyBear (I don't have a 'Cousin Pookie'.)
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To: earlJam
Admin Moderator, I was not sure which forum to put this in. Apologies if it went in the wrong one.

I'm not the Admin Moderator, but...um...I think it belongs in the trash bin.

45 posted on 09/07/2010 8:34:23 PM PDT by Cymbaline ("Allahu Akbar": Arabic for "Nothing To See Here" - Mark Steyn)
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To: Crim
They are burning Korans to illustrate that muslims will go ape shit over it...

That is probably true, the simplest explanation is usually correct.. However, do note the link, they are fans of Fred Phelps and his Westboro loons... that makes me wonder what side they may be playing in this.

46 posted on 09/07/2010 8:34:46 PM PDT by mnehring
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To: montag813

“This officially ends all debate about Terry Jones.”

Thankfully...it is not up to you...


47 posted on 09/07/2010 8:34:46 PM PDT by Crim (The Obama Doctrine : A doctrine based on complete ignorance,applied with extreme incompetence..)
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To: earlJam

How’d I know a pro-muzzie Obamabot like you would post this?

Just a lucky guess.

Here’s a tip: Stock up on your Depends now so when Obama sends his DOJ thugs to shut down free speech and freedom of religion, you won’t wet yourself with glee.


48 posted on 09/07/2010 8:35:09 PM PDT by Responsibility2nd (Yes, as a matter of fact, what you do in your bedroom IS my business.)
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To: CajunConservative
I don't need to go back and reread anything. I know what I said; I know what the 1st amendment says. But speech, when it is from an enemy (domestic or foreign), & when it 'incites' is not guaranteed (the 'yelling fire' in a theatre scenario). We have people taking these lunatics seriously.

The best solution is to simply ignore them and not feed their need of attention.

Yes, ignoring has worked so well through the years /heavy sarcasm. The great thing about America is that we can disagree and you are exercising that right and that's wonderful. But ignoring is not the answer. The "live and let live" philosophy sounds wonderful but is one of the reasons we are headed for the cliff.

49 posted on 09/07/2010 8:36:03 PM PDT by Outlaw Woman (Extremism in defense of Liberty is sometimes necessary...)
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To: TopQuark

“I guess, “proper perspective” means support for and celebration of book-burning. Nice. Very nice.”

It’s called “freedom of expression”....it’s an American thing....you may want to look it up...


50 posted on 09/07/2010 8:36:26 PM PDT by Crim (The Obama Doctrine : A doctrine based on complete ignorance,applied with extreme incompetence..)
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To: Crim
Thankfully...it is not up to you...

Ah but it is. Don't try it. I am also a Lord of the Sith.

52 posted on 09/07/2010 8:40:34 PM PDT by montag813 (http://www.facebook.com/StandWithArizona)
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To: Outlaw Woman

Yeah...like we have been attacked for anything other than being infidals since well before 1993....

Well lady...unless you are willing to convert to Islam....you can expect to be attacked by muslims...

It’s really that simple...

What this church does...or does not do....wont change that fact...

Sounds to me like you are ready to submit to Islam and it’s demands...out of craven fear...


53 posted on 09/07/2010 8:42:57 PM PDT by Crim (The Obama Doctrine : A doctrine based on complete ignorance,applied with extreme incompetence..)
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To: montag813

A sith Lord would be burning korans and bibles in the same fire...then blaming it on the Jedi...

Kinda like a democrat....with goofy makeup...


54 posted on 09/07/2010 8:44:54 PM PDT by Crim (The Obama Doctrine : A doctrine based on complete ignorance,applied with extreme incompetence..)
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To: mnehring

Have you actually taken the time to go to the source? The reasons are posted on his site. He actually makes some very valid points that most here usually agree with regarding the evil nature of islam.

I was really against the burning until I read what Bare Naked Islam posted this morning. Their “holy” book says that it’s okay to sodomize infants just don’t penetrate them. Now why in heck are we bending over backwards to keep from offending them? Islam is a blight on humanity.

http://barenakedislam.wordpress.com/2010/09/07/a-man-can-quench-his-sexual-lusts-with-a-child-as-young-as-a-baby-however-he-should-not-penetrate-sodomizing-the-baby-is-halal-allowed-by-sharia/


55 posted on 09/07/2010 8:46:03 PM PDT by CajunConservative
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To: earlJam

We moved it from Chat to Breaking News. Hope you don’t mind. :)


56 posted on 09/07/2010 8:47:35 PM PDT by Admin Moderator
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To: Crim

Umm I don’t know what you are talking about but I think you must be responding to someone else.


57 posted on 09/07/2010 8:50:14 PM PDT by Outlaw Woman (Extremism in defense of Liberty is sometimes necessary...)
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To: Responsibility2nd

You obviuosly are not a Christian. I am.

He and Fred Phelps are very offensive.

And the fact that I oppose the God Hates Fags preacher does not mean I support the gay agenda.

Same with this guy.


58 posted on 09/07/2010 8:50:34 PM PDT by earlJam
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To: earlJam

This preacher is a f-ing idiot and so is anyone who supports him. Bring on the flames.


59 posted on 09/07/2010 8:51:07 PM PDT by Weird Tolkienish Figure
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To: Crim
A sith Lord would be burning korans and bibles in the same fire...then blaming it on the Jedi...

Good point! I guess the debate is NOT over after all.

60 posted on 09/07/2010 8:51:21 PM PDT by montag813 (http://www.facebook.com/StandWithArizona)
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