Posted on 08/31/2010 4:17:24 PM PDT by wagglebee
You think I need help posting to you?! LOL!!!
Who’s adding social programs? Not me!
You'll be paying for them if you don't fight them. It's such a simple concept.
They cost taxes - huge taxes! How many poor people on some kind of government insurance have abortions? In my state they do! How much money is spent enforcing the homosexual agenda?
Social conservatism IS fiscal conservatism!
Either that or you want him to get rid of me.
How about this for restoring honor in politics: Don't pee on my leg and tell me it's raining.
Paranoia is not your friend. Why would he get rid of you? Did you say something wrong? He's not in the habit of getting rid of people just for giggles.
I guess I'd ask why the government is funding insurance, what kind, and why.
"Enforcing the homosexual agenda"? I don't even know what that means, but I bet it's a drop in the bucket compared to other budget items. If it's in there though, I'll get to it eventually and then cut it. Doesn't seem to be a thing government should be involved in.
Social conservatism IS fiscal conservatism!
You don't have to tell me this actually. I agree in large part... I just don't know why you've picked such lousy examples of the high cost of liberal social policy. There's better ones.
Good question, one I can’t answer. You have a good night now...
You too. I’m falling asleep. Time to do that with intent!
Those were the ones you mentioned.
There’s all government entitlements including but not limited to Medicare, AFDC, WIC, HUD, school lunch programs and no doubt tons more I don’t know, most federal departments like the National Endowment for the Arts, History, the Dept of Education, Fed money for public schools, any monies to higher education - that’s a start. Any subsidies including farm, any grants, low interest or other loans. That’s just a few that come to mind.
Every bit should be eliminated - not reduced, not “cut” meaning no increase - but cut down, roots pulled up, and the ground salted.
I felt a lot better when I was 17 or 27 or 37 or 47 or 57 than I do at 63. Each day is a new gift from God. Thanks for asking. God bless.
No sense crepe hanging when we KNOW we are going to win. Its never been a matter of whether only a question of when. God bless.
NO I didn't say that, you did. The Tea Party Movement is what it is, don't start hanging a bunch of other issues on it or it'll start looking like the Rainbow Coalition. Read the mission and the core values, that's what it is. There's nothing in there about gays, abortions or any of the other issues ... it is about TAXES, that's why its called a Tea Party. Is it part of a much larger Conservative ground swell? Absolutely. You could add the anti-mosque people, the anti-gay marriage in there too. Those are all CONSERVATIVE values ... but they are NOT what the Tea Party is about. Read the mission!
YES I CAN! If I want to deal with social issues, I look to platforms OUTSIDE the Tea Party. The Tea Party is for Fiscal Responsibility and Taxes. That's where it came from, that is what its mission and core values are about and that is why it was named after the original "Tea Party." As I said to another poster ...If we start including gay rights, abortion, Christianity, and everything else, and try to stuff it into the Tea Party,the result something that looks like the old Democrat Rainbow Coalition.
The Tea Party is only a small PART OF the Conservative Tsunami wave that is forming. It is coming tidal wave with tremendous power that is about to make some major changes on the political landscape. That wave is made up of many groups. Some focus on Anti-Gay, Pro-M/F Marriage, Anti-abortion, Pro-Christianity, Anti-Mosque etc etc etc ... and among the "etc" is the Tea Party, focusing on Fiscal Responsibility. It is a PART of the wave, part of something much bigger, but IT IS NOT that bigger thing.
We must not confuse the limited Tea Party's mission with another far greater mission of a far larger phenomenon. Whatever the heck Glenn Beck did last week "is" that phenomenon. It doesn't need signs, it doesn't need rabble-rousing political speeches, it transcends race and even religious differences. It is beyond that, it is bigger than that and it is the God-driven values fueling the power.
This special thing that is happening is not what the Tea Party is, but the Tea Party certainly is a PART of greater wave. As individuals, we can join the "wave" in several ways. The 40 days is one, the Black Robe Regiment another, The Anti-Mosque group or the Anti-abortion group ... AND, among those the Tea Party, (the fiscal responsibility group).
In these many groups making up the Conservative Tsunami, all of the Christian and Social values you are discussing and say MUST be there ... they are there. The best example is the 8-28 Rally last Saturday. You were looking at the wave ... within it were all of the things you say must exist, and also in it were Tea Party people ... just a smaller (fiscally-responsibility-driven) group among all the groups there. We don't want to make the Tea Party into something is is not, NOR do we want to belittle the Tsunami rising up (stuffing it into a very limited Tea Party Mission Statement).
Most people still do not realize what is happening or understand the significance the swell rising up beneath the waves. However for some, when we step back and understand what we are seeing it becomes clear and we notice something ...
The Bush is afire with the glory of God, but only he who sees takes off his shoes.
And looking around, not everyone is barefoot ... YET!
“No sense crepe hanging”
I once read that “optimism is true moral courage.”
Might have been William F. Buckley.
You are absolutely right.
I didn't miss it. But I respectfully disagree. I am second to none in my admiration and respect for Jim Robinson and the great work that he has done in creating and maintaining this site, which is why I have been a member since November 1998.
I just think he's wrong about this.
Jim Robinson was ahead of the curve in 97 and he is still ahead. He has shown incredible foresight. That's why he leads and smart people agree with him.
Smart people disagree, too.
Not unless they've built something that rivals FR.
Gotta go. Later.
I understand your analogy and you are right, I guess, to say they have a limited platform that is just “part” of that wave. My point is just that fiscal responsibility and taxes are social issues. Trying to say the tea party has nothing to do with “social issues” is not true.
It has everything to do with social issues and the basis of the Constitution and the Rights defined in our Founding documents which is based on Natural Law Theory. I am not injecting religious views here—just our basic foundation of government which I think the Tea Party CAN NOT ignore, otherwise, they have no authority to demand anything.
I think we can ABSOLUTELY and MORALLY agree on this point. And I know you were not injection religious views, I understood what you were saying. And I agree with it. This is what Beck is saying, that it comes back to the "individual" and the moral character of that individual ... that's what you are saying, and I so agree.
My fear is that the media has a "shortcut" way of using a "term" to tag a lot of people wrongly. As people ... I believe foolishly ... try to turn the Tea Party Movement into something more than it is, then it becomes an EASY TARGET for the libs and lefties. If the Tea Party sticks with FISCAL RESPONSIBILITY and stays away from gay marriage, they are not a target. My purpose here is to protect the Tea Party. But then you look at what Beck did ... absolutely amazing. How could anyone (with an IQ over 12) come out "against" anything he did or said? Not possible, they can't be a target, no signs, all people and religions represented, ... so well done. It is to THIS group that I belong. Yes I'm a Tea Partier, bring up Fiscal Responsibility and you'll get an ear full from me. But it is far more important to be a part of the BIGGER wave that's coming ... the Conservative Tsunami that will change the political landscape in November. We got a "peek" at it on 8-28. If I was the Dems, I'd be building an ark. :-)
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