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Does God Belong at The Lincoln Memorial?
politicsdaily.com ^ | Aug. 29, 2010 | Matt Lewis

Posted on 08/29/2010 1:11:31 PM PDT by Free ThinkerNY

On Sunday's episode of CNN's 'Reliable Sources,' Bill Press, Jane Hall and I joined host Howard Kurtz to debate and discuss Glenn Beck's "Restoring Honor" rally.

Press -- whom I like personally (and who has previously appeared on my podcast), made what were (in my estimation) the most controversial comments of the day.

First, he argued it was inappropriate for Glenn Beck to invoke religion at the Lincoln Memorial, saying, "I thought I was at a camp meeting -- an old fashioned, religious camp meeting; I don't think that's appropriate on the steps of the Lincoln Memorial."

(Of course, the irony is that Lincoln frequently referenced The Almighty -- and Reverend Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. was, of course, was a man of God.)

Next, Kurtz challenged Press' notion that allowing Beck to speak at The Lincoln Memorial was "like granting al Qaeda permission to hold a rally on September 11 - at Ground Zero."

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To: Free ThinkerNY

When Allied troops invaded Normandy on June 6,
1944, President Franklin D. Roosevelt led the
nation in prayer for “Operation Overlord” —
the invasion of Normandy.

My Fellow Americans: Last night, when I spoke with you about the fall of Rome, I knew at that moment that troops of the United States and our Allies were crossing the Channel in another and greater operation. It has come to pass with success thus far. And so, in this poignant hour, I ask you to join with me in prayer:

Almighty God: Our sons, pride of our nation, this day have set upon a mighty endeavor, a struggle to preserve our Republic, our religion, and our civilization, and to set free a suffering humanity. Lead them straight and true; give strength to their arms, stoutness to their hearts, steadfastness in their faith. They will need Thy blessings. Their road will be long and hard. For the enemy is strong. He may hurl back our forces. Success may not come with rushing speed, but we shall return again and again; and we know that by Thy grace, and by the righteousness of our cause, our sons will triumph. They will be sore tried, by night and by day, without rest — until the victory is won. The darkness will be rent by noise and flame. Men’s souls will be shaken with the violences of war. For these men are lately drawn from the ways of peace. They fight not for the lust of conquest. They fight to end conquest. They fight to liberate. They fight to let justice arise, and tolerance and goodwill among all Thy people. They yearn but for the end of battle, for their return to the haven of home. Some will never return. Embrace these, Father, and receive them, Thy heroic servants, into Thy kingdom.

And for us at home — fathers, mothers, children, wives, sisters, and brothers of brave men overseas, whose thoughts and prayers are ever with them — help us, Almighty God, to rededicate ourselves in renewed faith in Thee in this hour of great sacrifice.

Many people have urged that I call the nation into a single day of special prayer. But because the road is long and the desire is great, I ask that our people devote themselves in a continuance of prayer. As we rise to each new day, and again when each day is spent, let words of prayer be on our lips, invoking Thy help to our efforts.

Give us strength, too — strength in our daily tasks, to redouble the contributions we make in the physical and the material support of our armed forces. And let our hearts be stout, to wait out the long travail, to bear sorrows that may come, to impart our courage unto our sons wheresoever they may be.

And, O Lord, give us faith. Give us faith in Thee; faith in our sons; faith in each other; faith in our united crusade. Let not the keeness of our spirit ever be dulled. Let not the impacts of temporary events, of temporal matters of but fleeting moment — let not these deter us in our unconquerable purpose.

With Thy blessing, we shall prevail over the unholy forces of our enemy. Help us to conquer the apostles of greed and racial arrogances. Lead us to the saving of our country, and with our sister nations into a world unity that will spell a sure peace — a peace invulnerable to the schemings of unworthy men. And a peace that will let all of men live in freedom, reaping the just rewards of their honest toil.

Thy will be done, Almighty God. Amen.


61 posted on 08/29/2010 2:38:52 PM PDT by daniel1212 ("Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out," Acts 3:19)
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To: Oldpuppymax
"Does he believe Lincoln to have been a famous atheist who would have preferred religion be kept from his memorial?"

I'm sure Bill Press knows better, but he would me very happy if others beloved this.

62 posted on 08/29/2010 2:40:14 PM PDT by Red Dog #1
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To: Free ThinkerNY

God is on Lincoln’s coin.


63 posted on 08/29/2010 2:41:52 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: Dark Fired Tobacco

They are opposed to anything that sounds close to exalting God as the ultimate Judge, and promulgator of moral absolutes.


64 posted on 08/29/2010 2:42:25 PM PDT by daniel1212 ("Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out," Acts 3:19)
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To: Free ThinkerNY
God is supposed to remain in a church-building-shaped-box all week. He's not supposed to show up and influence people's real-life actions and decisions.

He certainly isn't supposed to be referenced in civics lessons of mega-scope like yesterday. He makes the slime-trail-leaving demonic impostors and thieves of human destiny uncomfortable.


Frowning takes 68 muscles.
Smiling takes 6.
Pulling this trigger takes 2.
I'm lazy.

65 posted on 08/29/2010 2:42:43 PM PDT by The Comedian (Evil can only succeed if good men don't point at it and laugh.)
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To: hinckley buzzard; Palter
No doubt the first Temple of Zeus was a pile of rocks ~ the Lincoln Memorial is not a Temple of Zeus!

Problem I have here is with Press and the people he works with ~ they have no idea where God wants to sit down and watch.

One day after the First Gulf War we were down on the Mall and there was an exhibit of the missile lanchers, planes and other devices used in that war.

I was standing up on an antimissile launcher when I realized that it was surrounded by Orthodox Jews saying prayers ~ it was humbling. Not that I was apparently suddenly the focus of attention, but that I had forgotten to thank God for the weapons to destroy the enemy ~ there are nearly 40 gentlemen whose names I keep in memory who were taken by Saddam Hussein from the main post office operation in Kuwait City.

They went away and never came back.

The Jewish prayers stirred my memory ~ which in the excitement of the period had skipped over those guys, and I too went around to major items and made sure that God knew I really, really, really appreciated being on His side, and that it was good that He had opened the minds of our scientists and engineers to make sure all of these weapons were in our hands.

66 posted on 08/29/2010 2:42:49 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Does God Belong at The Lincoln Memorial?

I’m thinking he belongs wherever he wants to be. There sure were a bunch of his fans at the Memorial.


67 posted on 08/29/2010 2:43:00 PM PDT by mortal19440
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Gee, it was across the street ... really a few blocks away in the cosmic scheme of things ... why would that be a problem? /snark


68 posted on 08/29/2010 2:43:52 PM PDT by NonValueAdded ("Obama suffers from decision-deficit disorder." Oliver North 6/25/10)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Why not? Lincoln was a spiritual man in his own way, with a deep set belief in God. There is no reason why He should not be mentioned at Lincoln’s memorial.


69 posted on 08/29/2010 2:50:24 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Gonna be a lot of liberal gnashing of teeth when they try to knock on Heavens door at Judgement Day but God says, ‘Do you belong here’?


70 posted on 08/29/2010 2:55:21 PM PDT by tflabo
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To: Free ThinkerNY
Press, you Putz. 
 
First, this country was founded on a belief in God and our laws are given to us by God, who has ordained us with unalienable rights.
 
As a nation founded by Christians it is fitting.  Besides, is it okay to put a dollar bill in tithing basket that says "One Nation Under God"?
 
Second, the Gettysburg address is inscribed on the Lincoln Memorial and the last part is as follows:
"...that this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom -- and that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth."
 
 
 
But it gets better with Lincoln's prayer for the nation, at his second inaugural:
 
Both read the same Bible and pray to the same God, and each invokes His aid against the other. It may seem strange that any men should dare to ask a just God's assistance in wringing their bread from the sweat of other men's faces, but let us judge not, that we be not judged. The prayers of both could not be answered. That of neither has been answered fully. The Almighty has His own purposes. "Woe unto the world because of offenses; for it must needs be that offenses come, but woe to that man by whom the offense cometh." If we shall suppose that American slavery is one of those offenses which, in the providence of God, must needs come, but which, having continued through His appointed time, He now wills to remove, and that He gives to both North and South this terrible war as the woe due to those by whom the offense came, shall we discern therein any departure from those divine attributes which the believers in a living God always ascribe to Him? Fondly do we hope, fervently do we pray, that this mighty scourge of war may speedily pass away. Yet, if God wills that it continue until all the wealth piled by the bondsman's two hundred and fifty years of unrequited toil shall be sunk, and until every drop of blood drawn with the lash shall be paid by another drawn with the sword, as was said three thousand years ago, so still it must be said "the judgments of the Lord are true and righteous altogether." 3
  With malice toward none, with charity for all, with firmness in the right as God gives us to see the right, let us strive on to finish the work we are in, to bind up the nation's wounds, to care for him who shall have borne the battle and for his widow and his orphan, to do all which may achieve and cherish a just and lasting peace among ourselves and with all nations.
 
 
 
I notice you had nothing to say about Al Sharpton and he most assuredly did invoke God on government property.
 
 
You half wit aetheistic shill for Commies.

71 posted on 08/29/2010 2:57:36 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it.)
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To: Free ThinkerNY
Bill Press ... argued it was inappropriate for Glenn Beck to invoke religion at the Lincoln Memorial, saying, "I thought I was at a camp meeting -- an old fashioned, religious camp meeting; I don't think that's appropriate on the steps of the Lincoln Memorial."

The fact that freedom of religion has been so completely turned around that upwards of half the population believes it actually forbids religious expression, rather than protecting it, in American government environments, is abiding testimony to the reality of the fact that half the population does, indeed, statistically have an IQ under 100, by definition.

In comparison, their associated belief that accomodating violence by blaming it's victims represents spiritual maturity, becomes almost understandable.

Kind of like when someone is so drunk they not only believe they're sober, but that they aren't drinking at all.

72 posted on 08/29/2010 3:18:37 PM PDT by Talisker (When you find a turtle on top of a fence post, you can be damn sure it didn't get there on it's own.)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

“Does God belong. . . ?”

The question itself gives us an insight into the arrogance of the “Press” and the Left today. These people believe they have a right, duty, or obligation to question the authority of God. Who are they?


73 posted on 08/29/2010 3:22:04 PM PDT by MSSC6644 (Defeat Satan. Pray the Rosary)
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To: Vendome
Exactly. I was in the process of posting the same thing. Anyone who has been to the Lincoln Memorial knows what is inscribed in the marble. To ask the question, "Does God belong at the Lincoln Memorial?" shows the colossal ignorance of the Left.

Lincoln Memorial Interactive

74 posted on 08/29/2010 3:22:42 PM PDT by kabar
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To: kabar

Been there a jillion times and always awed.

When Bill de Press’ed asked his question it’s like demanding that all references to God, Almighty, The Creator and so on be removed from all Government buildings.

Good Luck Bill, you Devil Worshipin’, Satanic Inspired, Communist.

You guys are going the way of the buggy and becoming less useful everyday and irrelevant to anyone but yourselves.


75 posted on 08/29/2010 3:28:42 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it.)
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To: Talisker

Their IQ is actually unmeasurable as we have not discovered the formula that explains being Lower than a Grave Diggers Boots.


76 posted on 08/29/2010 3:30:31 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it.)
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To: Vendome

Agree. Beck has been educating the American people about how deeply ingrained religion was in our Founder’s vision and writings. Press needs to read the Fedralist Papers, Washington’s Inagural and Farewell addresses, etc. Press is just the poster boy for the kind of ignorance that pervades this country about our founding. Our educational system has failed us.


77 posted on 08/29/2010 3:38:53 PM PDT by kabar
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To: PJ_Foggy

I believe that Glenn Beck is a very confused “religious” person, I also, believe that he is ripe for the Holy Spirit to do a great work in his life. I Pray that he will leave the Mormon Cult and get some real disciplining.


78 posted on 08/29/2010 3:41:38 PM PDT by Coldwater Creek (He who dwells in the shelter of the Most High will rest in the shadow of the Almighty Psalm 91:)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

The liberals do not want you to even mention God to your children or else they want you jailed. Liberals are waging a war. We had better be willing and eager to beat the living shit out of them or else we will lose.


79 posted on 08/29/2010 3:46:19 PM PDT by CodeToad (Islam needs to be banned in the US and treated as a criminal enterprise.)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Nation “founded on the Gospel of Jesus Christ” according to Ben Franklin, who declared that all over Europe after the constitution was ratified. God belongs; the whinners don’t.
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80 posted on 08/29/2010 3:46:37 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Obamacare is America's kristallnacht !!)
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