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3 Reasons the “Ground Zero Mosque” Debate Makes No Sense (Big Barf Alert!)
Cracked ^ | Aug 20, 2010 | Gladstone

Posted on 08/20/2010 5:23:47 PM PDT by RDTF

I don’t usually write about politics. It’s important, but something I want no part of – kind of like a raw sewage treatment facility. But frankly, I haven’t been this upset in a long time. And it’s due to the logic-hating, herd-mentality rhetoric that some have been flinging in opposition to the so-called “Ground Zero Mosque.” For the uninitiated, there are plans to construct an Islamic Community center in lower Manhattan. And, of course, lower Manhattan is where the World Trade Center stood before terrorists destroyed it, thereby murdering 3,000 Americans. I was working in New York City at the time. As was my father. As was my pregnant wife. I remember the day well. And the days that followed. I think most of all, I remember standing on the Staten Island Ferry, coming home with 200 other silent, reverent New Yorkers of every age, race, and religion, as we watched our city still smoldering a full week later. And it is with this backdrop that I can say to every politician spouting off and opposing the construction of this Islamic community center: “Shut up. Go away. You hate America.”

I’m talking about people like professional political tumor, Newt Gingrich, and future worst President ever, Sarah Palin, who have both slammed supporters of the Islamic community center with rhetoric so flawed, I’m afraid even linking to it might impair your computer’s higher functioning circuits. But it’s not just them. Due to the wave of misinformation being spread, apparently 68% of Americans also oppose the mosque.

How did this happen? Well, basically a complacent or a complicit media helped perpetuate three ideas that are either outright lies or intellectually dishonest arguments designed to bring out the very worst in all of us. And as you continue to hear them–and you will–take out this column which you will have already printed and laminated, and recite thusly:

1. It’s Not at Ground Zero The proposed structure is not on the hallowed ground of the former World Trade Center. It’s at an abandoned and private building blocks away that used to be the Burlington Coat Factory. That means that if every one of the “g’s” that Sarah Palin drops when she’s talkin’ folksy were 10 by10 feet large, you could still stack over 120 of them from Ground Zero to this community center. Easy.

That sort of makes all the difference, doesn’t it? I know, when I first heard they were building a mosque at Ground Zero, I literally said, “What the fuck.” Like out loud and everything. I didn’t even pull a “WTF” despite years of writing for the Internet. That’s because for the last nine years, we New Yorkers have listened to countless proposals and plans and ideas of how to best rebuild the area while honoring the memories of those who died. And suddenly it seemed we were being told, “Yep, it’s all decided. Mosque. We want a mosque here. Just feels right.”

So yeah, of course, no one was on board. That just made no sense. What happened to that proposed waterfall and wall of names? Nothing happened. Because no one was ever building a mosque on that site. It’s just a lie that was told to you by people who wanted you to be afraid, upset, and hurt. People who wanted to manipulate your tender emotions to inspire contempt for the government. It’s about as intellectually dishonest as manipulating debate footage to make it appear that “Drill, baby, drill” is Sarah Palin’s stance on partial birth abortions. It’s just wrong.

And to those who say that any location in lower Manhattan is too close for a Muslim structure, let me remind you that right now, in the shadow of what would be the former World Trade Center, there’s a Halal Meat Hot Truck with a multi-denominational line that wraps around my building every day at lunch time. And I’m positive that’s owned by a Muslim. And I’ve even suffered at his hands. (Spoiler alert: avoid the goat rhoti). Should he move a few more blocks away too? Of course, not. That would just be silly, right? Is it different? Why? Because mosques are religious and the 911 terrorists perverted Islam into something violent and hateful? Guess what? Those knights did the same thing to Christianity for the 300 years of the Crusades, and no one’s saying that churches shouldn’t be built anywhere in … Europe.

2. It’s Not Strictly A Mosque A mosque by definition is a purely religious structure. This is a large proposed community center, open to the public and set to house, among other things, a basketball court. Yes there will be a prayer space inside it as well, but you don’t call St. Mary’s Hospital a church because it happens to have a chapel inside it, do you? Well, maybe you do. You read about politics on the Internet from a guy who claims not to write about politics, so maybe you’re functionally illiterate. But the point is, you shouldn’t.

But “Islamic Community Center open to the public” doesn’t have the same ability to scare people the way “mosque” does. I mean, you hear “mosque” you think mosquito, you think STING! You hear “mosque” you think “mask,” you think DECEPTION! You hear “community center” you think “OK. One more place I’ll never go.” So, yeah, clearly the decision was made by those who hate you to call this the “Ground Zero Mosque” even though it’s not at Ground Zero and not technically a mosque. Why are we still discussing this? Why haven’t you already asked Sarah Palin if she’s the devil on her Twitter account? Oh, that’s right. Because the devil is supposed to be good at lying.

3. You Can’t Simultaneously Acknowledge A Right And Insist That Your Government Suppress It But the real reason I’m writing is not just because of people like Sarah Palin, but because of shameful, spineless panderers like Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid. Here’s a statement from each of them designed to give the appearance of being tolerant while adhering to good old-fashioned common sense values:

From Sarah Palin’s Twitter Feed:

“We all know that they have the right to do it, but should they?”

And from Harry Reid’s spokesperson:

While respecting that Muslims have a First Amendment right to religious freedom, Reid “thinks this mosque should be built some place else,” his spokesman Jim Manley said Monday.

Let me make something clear. In order to make these statements you must hate two things: logic and America. There is NO way to say that an individual has a protected right to do something and simultaneously criticize your government for not suppressing the execution of that right. There is no way for President Obama or any other president to put a stumbling block in the way of the free exercise of religion without violating the sanctity of that freedom. Should I say it more simply? OK.

You can’t legally stop people from obeying the law.

The Burlington Coat factory is private property. Those who want to build on it are private citizens. They are violating no law in wanting to build a community center. Under what authority do you propose we stop them? There is no “unless you’re a Muslim within X yards of a national tragedy exception” to the free exercise of religion. Do the Gingrichs and Palins and Reids want to start a precedent where you can compel people not to exercise the freedoms guaranteed under our Constitution provided enough people don’t like you?

And what are we saying to Muslims? That if they were good Americans they would willingly give up their rights? I can’t think of anything less American than that? This is America. We do what we want. And all you have to do to have that right is be a citizen here. And if you’re a traitor, well then we will prosecute you for treason and penalize you for taking up arms against the greatest country in the world, but we will NOT start curtailing your freedoms based on mere speculation fueled by lies about what you’re building and where you’re building it.

In the days following 911 it was very popular to say that we couldn’t do anything differently in America or “the terrorists would win.” We can’t stop driving gas guzzling cars. We can’t stop supporting dictators in other parts of the world for financial or political gain. We can’t vote for a Democrat. Most of that was rhetoric. Some of it was probably true. But one thing is definitely true: if we ask our leaders to start dishonoring the freedoms that make this country great, the terrorists surely will have won. And I don’t want to see that. Because unlike those with power and influence who would lie to you, I love America.


TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: New York; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: 911; antiamerican; gladstone; groundzeromosque; humor; idiots; jihadinamerica; mosque; nothumor; obamasmosque; tributetojihad; triumphaltower; victorymosque
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To: Steve Van Doorn
correction:
A mosque isn’t is a community center.

this guy knows NOTHING about Islam.

21 posted on 08/20/2010 6:05:06 PM PDT by Steve Van Doorn (*in my best Eric cartman voice* 'I love you guys')
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To: hoosierham
Should we have not had capitalism anywhere in America until the Soviet Union allowed people to buy and sell private property in Russia?

Now I agree that saying this is for ‘healing’ and ‘reconciliation’ is camel excrement, but American rights are not dependent upon the laws of any other nation.

22 posted on 08/20/2010 6:12:07 PM PDT by allmendream (Income is EARNED not distributed. So how could it be re-distributed?)
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To: RDTF
Cracked is the same type of source as The Onion. An outrageous twisting of current events meant to be humorous and should be taken as such. My pointing this out is not ridiculous, but what *is* ridiculous is so many on this thread believing that this is a real opinion piece, and not the outrageous attempt at humor that it really is.

Furthermore, if you read this 'screed' all the way thru, you'll notice that the writer is getting more and more outrageous and incoherent as it goes on ... this is intentional, as the writer is making a mockery of liberals and their thought process.

I read it in that manner, considering the source, that the writer is mocking liberals and their incoherent paradoxical rantings ... your mileage may vary.

23 posted on 08/20/2010 6:15:32 PM PDT by Mr_Moonlight
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To: RDTF; Mr_Moonlight; Admin Moderator
Gladstone uses what he considers facts as humor much like Jon Stewart does on Comedy central.

In other words he uses leftist propaganda that would only make ill informed people laugh.

24 posted on 08/20/2010 6:18:53 PM PDT by Steve Van Doorn (*in my best Eric cartman voice* 'I love you guys')
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To: Mr_Moonlight

Go ahead and read it how you want. But insulting the intelligence of everyone posting here is really not very smart.


25 posted on 08/20/2010 6:20:19 PM PDT by RDTF
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To: RDTF
Firstly, I didn't think it was funny either ... actually I thought it was kinda stoopid, as I stated an 'attempt' at humor. Secondly, there was no insult to anyone's intelligence by pointing out that they are reacting to a so-called 'humor' screed published by a notorious humor magazine masquerading as 'news'. Cracked isn't 'news', and never was nor claims to be, nor is The Onion, or Weekly World News for that matter. All I am saying is to consider the source, that's all.

-- MM

26 posted on 08/20/2010 6:29:31 PM PDT by Mr_Moonlight
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To: RDTF
There is NO way to say that an individual has a protected right to do something and simultaneously criticize your government for not suppressing the execution of that right.

I do no believe anyone is petitioning the government to stop it. In fact, what they are doing is asking the people exercising their right to practice their religion to also practice some common sense and responsibility in their doing so. While all Americans have the same rights under the Constitution, common sense applies in their practice......to everyone.

27 posted on 08/20/2010 6:49:05 PM PDT by edpc (Ruck Famadan)
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To: edpc

Oh.....and as an aside......when I was younger and read such material, Cracked sucked and Mad was funny. Can’t speak for the condidtion of Mad, but it seems Cracked hasn’t changed.


28 posted on 08/20/2010 6:51:17 PM PDT by edpc (Ruck Famadan)
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To: edpc
Alfred E. Neuman (what me worry?) beat Sylvester P. Smythe every time :)


29 posted on 08/20/2010 7:11:41 PM PDT by Mr_Moonlight
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To: RDTF

I don’t usually write about politics...
That’s good. You don’t understand the issues. Read and study for a few years and come back later.


30 posted on 08/20/2010 8:06:33 PM PDT by Old North State (Don't blame me, I voted for Pedro)
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To: allmendream
Well,you are turning it backwards.

America should reject the systems like islam and state communism that demand total obedience,at least until those systems show their adherents are willing to peacefully tolerate and respect others..

We didn't allow the Stalinist regime and successors to build hundreds of communist recruiting and indoctrination facilities in America staffed by Russian operatives in uniform.

31 posted on 08/20/2010 9:00:47 PM PDT by hoosierham (Waddaya mean Freedom isn't free ?;will you take a credit card?)
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To: hoosierham
We did allow Americans to be as “Stalinist” as they wanted to be, and the American Communist Party was going strong all during the Cold War (infiltrated by the FBI).

America should reject systems like islam and communism by outlawing Americans from subscribing to their belief system?

We need to destroy our freedom in order to save it?

The rights of Americans are not dependent upon the laws of any other nation.

Americans are free to be as Islamic as they want to be, and that freedom is not in any way dependent upon Saudi Arabia becoming a land of religious liberty.

We ARE a land of religious liberty. Even if you disagree that we should be.

32 posted on 08/21/2010 8:40:47 AM PDT by allmendream (Income is EARNED not distributed. So how could it be re-distributed?)
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To: allmendream
No,Americans are not free to be as "stalinist" or as "Islamic" as they wish ,or to fully embrace and act on ANY creed which calls for abolition of America's freedoms for everyone else.

Anyone may believe all sorts of things in his own mind;but societies set limits on what actions a person may take.

You would allow sedition, treason, and terrorism to spread by allowing them to claim freedom.American freedom was never intended to protect those who act to destroy the country.

We can and should outlaw and prosecute all acts of violence,intimidation,and conspiracy done on behalf of those belief systems.

33 posted on 08/21/2010 9:00:29 AM PDT by hoosierham (Waddaya mean Freedom isn't free ?;will you take a credit card?)
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To: allmendream
Our forefathers made altering the tenets of Mormonism a condition of "Deseret" becoming a member of the United States.

And there are religions in history still no doubt practiced somewhere that call for actual human sacrifice.

Would you have those religions allowed to practice in the United States?

Personally,I think the 3000 humans sacrificed on 9-11 by Muslim fanatics are quite enough.

34 posted on 08/21/2010 9:05:43 AM PDT by hoosierham (Waddaya mean Freedom isn't free ?;will you take a credit card?)
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To: hoosierham
“Anyone may believe all sorts of things in his own mind;but societies set limits on what actions a person may take.”

Exactly. And Americans were free to be Communist, free to associate with Communists, free to gather among like minded Communists and form organizations (that were promptly infiltrated by the FBI).

They are free to believe any fool thing they want, but they are watched (due to their anti-American ideology, they warrant and receive special scrutiny) and any criminal actions ARE prosecuted.

But to forbid Americans to build or organize around a religion or ideology dependent upon the laws of a despotic tyranny? Absolutely ridiculous!

35 posted on 08/21/2010 9:13:43 AM PDT by allmendream (Income is EARNED not distributed. So how could it be re-distributed?)
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