Posted on 08/18/2010 11:50:53 AM PDT by suprise_me
PPP has Bill Brady up by 9 here in Illinois. Definite trend in this race...
His lead isn’t shrinking...Polls will go back and forth. And this one is a Democrat leaning firm.
OK..but your point is??
My bad latest Ras has him up by 13 http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2010/election_2010_governor_elections/illinois/election_2010_illinois_governor
QUINN WON’T WIN!!!
My point is that, even if Kirk is the 51st Republican, we shouldn’t expect him to vote with Republicans. He’ll vote with Democrats as often as Alexi.
Possibly..though I hope not..but he’ll vote with the GOP to organize the Senate...
Except for the procedural stuff, judicial nominees, and the other 70% of the things he votes the Party line on.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2569711/posts
This thread will help you understand that he is 100% unacceptable to Conservatives. We want him replaced on the ticket before the election. Nobody wants Alexi, but if he is elected, he will be indicted and convicted. A Gov. Bill Brady will appoint an honest Conservative to the vacancy. IL deserves better than those 2 Zero-supported (and Zero-supporting) Combiners, Kirk/Alexi.
Never place your hopes in a Socialist sociopath like Mark Kirk. You don’t trust Zero, do you ? Why would you trust a DIABLO who supports Zero’s agenda wholeheartedly ?
About two weeks ago, Kirk said that, if he were in the U.S. Senate, this year, he would have voted to confirm Elena Kagan.
If you expect Kirk to support the Republican agenda, you’re fooling yourself. He never has yet in the House. He takes his marching orders from the IL Combine, same as Alexi. They vote Socialist. Kirk will only serve to embarrass and kneecap the Republican Party in the Senate (damaging us just enough before he officially switches to the Democrat Party).
It’s amazing how many people are fooled into believing Mark Kirk would ever support the Conservative/Republican agenda. His voting record is out there for all to see, his Socialist extremism isn’t exactly hidden, nor are his pathological lies, from his lying about his military record, his suicide attempt in Lake Michigan... Bad news all the way around. He needs to be run off the ticket before the election and replaced with a man of honesty, integrity, and Conservatism.
Are you saying that conservatives pubbies shouldn't vote for Kirk, just vote for governor, or should they vote for Alexi? I think not..so you want him off the ticket? How do you propose to accomplish that.
I'm not trying to argue, but am trying to understand..
WOAH! He attempted suicide in Lake Michigan??? Please share!
Why do you think he would vote with the GOP? He's been in the House for 10 years or so and he votes with the rats.
It’s a fair question, let me try to explain it as best I can...
Most folks outside of Illinois (and unfortunately, too many inside) do not understand the political dynamics at work here. They view this race as being a legitimate Republican vs. Democrat one, and it really, really isn’t. It’s not like, say, PA’s Toomey vs. Sestak or NV’s Angle vs. Reid. In Illinois, the dynamics are different. It’s not Republican vs. Democrat, it’s Combiner vs. Reformer/Outsider. You can be of any ideology and be in either grouping (you can be a Conservative Combiner and a liberal Reformer or a Liberal Combiner and Conservative Reformer). This is confusing for many to understand.
The Combine is essentially an unholy political alliance between Chicago and Springfield between both parties that protects the interests of its members, however corrupt. A “business as usual” class that makes sure those in the “in” remain in power for essentially perpetuity. It’s a political clique where the connections trump ideology (meaning an ostensibly Conservative Republican will trust and do the bidding for a Liberal Democrat, so long as both are members of the Combine). If outsiders/reformers try to get in, members of the Combine of both parties will work hard to ensure that outsider/reformer never wins office, even if they’re a member of the SAME party.
It is worth pointing out that the Combine, at present, has control of both the IL state parties, and that has been the case for some time. The Republicans tend to have more outsider/reformers than the Democrats do.
Now, let me explain precisely what happens on the chance that an outsider/reformer wins a party nomination and how it has “gone down” in both parties...
A good starting point is 1972. The incumbent Governor was a Chicago Republican, Richard Ogilvie. Ogilvie had become very unpopular when he implemented the state income tax. The Democrats insider candidate was Ogilvie’s separately-elected Lieutenant Governor, Paul Simon. At the time, these pre-Combiners were essentially Chicago-chosen by the senior Mayor Richard Daley. Simon, although not from Chicago, was viewed as the man who would be a puppet for Chicago (hence, Richard Daley’s) interests. However, Simon would not get a free ride to the nomination. A liberal outsider/reformer, a businessman from Chicago named Dan Walker, ended up beating Paul Simon in the primary. “Insiders”, and especially Mayor Daley was outraged at this turn of events. Walker would go on to beat the unpopular Ogilvie in November (even as Nixon swept the country).
Mayor Daley and the “insider” faction essentially made Gov. Walker’s life a living hell over the next 4 years, opposing him at every turn (despite the fact, again, that both Walker and Daley were liberal Democrats). Walker, in turn, tried to run out Daley’s cronies in the 1974 midterms. Daley, at the risk of his health, threw everything at Walker but the kitchen sink to run him out of office for 1976. He was successful. Walker was defeated for renomination by a Daley ally, and the Republican ended up cleaning up as a result of the infighting and beat the Democrat (that being Jim Thompson). Daley would die only a month after the November 1976 election.
Now, flash forward to the ‘90s, and I’ll explain how the GOP operates when confronted with outsiders... When Paul Simon retired from the Senate (the same Paul Simon who ran for Governor above) in 1996, the GOP was expected to reclaim the seat. The “insider” (hence Combiner) choice was Lt Governor Bob Kustra. Problem with Kustra is that he had to be dragged kicking and screaming into running, he didn’t really want the job. One Conservative outsider did want the job, and that was Al Salvi. Salvi ran very hard and upset Kustra in the primary to the shock of the Combine. With that, the Combine annointed Dick Durbin (who was essentially going to be desultory opposition to Kustra - a Combiner, yes, but Kustra was the “bigger” name), and that included Combiner Republicans who spent from spring until fall ripping Salvi to shreds. Durbin ended up winning by a wide 15% margin (and still remains the premier Senate Combiner member, and quite probably will succeed Reid as Senate Democrat leader).
2 years later, the other Senate race was in the national headlines. Democrat Combiner Carol Moseley-Braun had won over an inept Republican in the Clinton election of 1992 (hence, the year of the woman), she was the first Black woman and first Black Democrat ever elected to the U.S. Senate. Moseley-Braun’s poor ethics had become too much for IL to bear and she was expected to be defeated in 1998... but this time with a Republican Combiner. The Combine fully endorsed the State Comptroller, Loleta Didrickson, as sufficiently acceptable (a Republican social liberal). But as with 1996, an outsider state legislator came from behind and defeated Didrickson, this person being Peter Fitzgerald. To the horror of the Combine, they had to scramble to salvage the corrupt Moseley-Braun and attacked Fitzgerald as a menace, a right-wing kook, and various other sorts of pejoratives, essentially, he was as “unelectable as Al Salvi.” But Fitzgerald didn’t take the attacks lying down. Because Fitzgerald was independently wealthy, he could fight off the attacks, even though they were coming from two fronts (although with the same mission to defeat him). To the utter, sputtering outrage of the bipartisan Combine, Fitzgerald beat Moseley-Braun in the general election.
Now, that wasn’t the end of the festivities. Because Sen. Fitzgerald firmly established himself as an outsider/non-Combiner, he simply had to be gotten rid of by any and all means. So the Combiner reached into its bag of tricks and did to Fitz what they did to Gov. Walker in the ‘70s. They made his life a living hell and ripped him publicly and privately — and this was just the Combine Republicans. One of the big RINO thugs doing the Combine’s dirty work was Congressman Ray LaHood. While the Combine was screwing with Fitzgerald in IL, LaHood would screw with him in DC. All during this time, Fitzgerald amassed an excellent record in DC, the best Senator from IL since Everett Dirksen in the 1960s (the real hero of the Civil Rights Movement). But his excellent record didn’t matter to the Combine. Because he wasn’t under their thumb, he had to go at all costs.
After 6 years of constant attacks and threats, Fitzgerald said he wouldn’t put himself or his family through the harrassment. The IL GOP, firmly in control by Combiners, were successful in running out this excellent Senator. After all was said and done, this time the Democrat Combiners got their choice installed in the Senate. A fella named Barack Hussein Obama, Jr. When Obama got the White House, none other than fellow (Republican) Combiner Ray LaHood was rewarded with a Cabinet Post for all of his service to the Combine and to assuring the rise and election of Obama. Outraged enough ? It gets better...
Now to the pertinent part... this election in IL. I saw from two years away that with the opening up of the Senate seat, the Combine would be working overtime to make sure the seat would remain in their hands. Since Roland Burris, Gov. Blagojevich’s tainted appointee, couldn’t hold the seat, they would need a suitable replacement who would serve the Combine. While the Combiner Democrats were looking to the freshman State Treasurer, Alexi Giannoulias to serve their side, Combiner Republicans annointed the far-left RINO/DIABLO Congressman Mark Kirk, an individual who had the distinction of running to the left of a moonbat Black Democrat in his recent races. Kirk (as we would later see) had a lot of secrets (most Combiners have skeletons in their closet), including lying about his military record (”stolen valor”).
Well, now we get to the question, if Conservatives knew how tainted Mark Kirk was ahead of time, why didn’t we try to stop him in the primary as we had with Kustra in ‘96 and Didrickson in ‘98 ? Because the Combine got the jump on us. They made it plain that Mark Kirk and nobody else would be the nominee. If anyone attempted to recruit, endorse or in any way try to derail the nomination, they would do that Republican what was done to Al Salvi and Peter Fitzgerald (and any other Reformer who got in their way). That’s right, kids, they were threatened if any serious candidate were to step forward. The GOP primary was a joke, it was a coronation of Kirk. Many second-tier and third-tier nobodies tried to step forward and run, but they got lost in the shuffle. The Combine succeeded with a divided, “nuisance” opposition (Conservatives couldn’t coalesce behind a single desultory candidate, but that was the intention all along).
Essentially, this means that the Combine has control of both Alexi Giannoulias AND Mark Kirk. Whomever wins, their fealty is to the Combine. Whomever wins, a left-winger wins. Whomever wins, a corrupt liar wins. But before I explain what I’m specifically advocating for IL voters, to do, let me mention Bill Brady in passing, the subject of this thread.
The Combine made a rather serious faux pas in this election. All the while the GOP side of the Combine was focused on the Senate race, they ignored the Gubernatorial primary. Not to say they weren’t present in the race, they were, but they failed to get behind a single Combine candidate. In this instance, there were more than one Combiners running. As a result, and in an unexpected upset, State Sen. Bill Brady, not an explicitly-backed Combiner, got the nomination. They did try to drag out the certification process to try to keep Brady from claiming a win, but it didn’t work. As it appears now, Brady isn’t aligned with the Combine and isn’t tainted by scandal or corruption, and hence is why he has a solid lead over ex-Reformer turned de facto Combiner Gov. Pat Quinn.
OK, so what am I explicitly endorsing us to do ? I mention the likely election of Bill Brady, because he plays a part. At this point, Mark Kirk is trailing in the polls to a known corrupt Democrat, Alexi. Why ? Because he simply will not get the overwhelming backing by the GOP/Conservative base. A poll I saw indicated that a whopping 1/3rd (at this point) of GOP Conservatives refuse to back Kirk. In a state like IL, you can’t win losing that huge a chunk of the base. While Brady has above 50% in the polls, Kirk is at 35%. Kirk is tainted badly. He’s been exposed as a liar, military record is a fraud, his voting record is about the most left-wing of any self-declared Republican (and to the left of a chunk of IL state Democrat legislators), and yet another scandal came out involving an attempt to commit suicide (although he was a youngster, he denied that’s what happened, but the accounts are pretty clear). He has willfully misled Republicans (that link I gave you above was evidence of that — telling some he’ll miraculously start voting in opposition to how he has from the first day he arrived in DC, which doesn’t pass the smell test). He did mention, one of his honest moments, that he would support Marxist radicals for the Supreme Court, that he would vote for Elena Kagan. Simply put, he will not be an ally for either Conservative or Republican causes. His ideological allegiance is to the far-left (from abortion to illegals to fiscal issues and big government) and his political allegiance and loyalty is to the same corrupt outfit that produced Obama. A Chicago thug.
What I have urged is a grassroots movement to audibly protest Kirk’s placement on the ballot and to have him removed and replaced with a suitable and credible candidate. Understand that Kirk is at 35% in the polls because he is viewed with enormous concern. Any credible nominee of the center-right would immediately overtake Alexi in the polls. But because the Combine is still in control of the party command structure (namely, the State Party Chairman), they would rather Alexi Giannoulias win the general than have Mark Kirk be replaced by an untainted non-Combiner. It’s that simple. But the Democrat side of the Combine, because of Alexi’s troubles, may themselves remove Alexi from the ballot if he is formally indicted, which many expect is forthcoming.
Now, if we cannot remove Kirk from the ballot, I advocate IL voters to support a 3rd party choice, in this case, Randy Stufflebeam. I am under no illusions that Stufflebeam would win, the point being to keep Mark Kirk out of the Senate, where he would give “bipartisan” cover in a closely divided Senate to Obama’s agenda (just as he has in the House, albeit now with more clout). The Combine wants Obama reelected in 2012, and Mark Kirk will be told to operate in such a way to facilitate that, and cause enormous dissension in the GOP ranks (if necessary, the final straw will be to switch to the Democrats formally and blast the GOP with being intolerants of “moderates” — Kirk is not a moderate, he is a Socialist and takes orders from a corrupt political regime out of Chicago, not from his constituents). Even if Kirk serves a single 6-year term, the damage will have been done. He’s a cog in the wheel of a corrupt machine that is doing enormous damage to our nation well beyond the confines of Illinois.
So then it comes down to this, if Alexi is not replaced and with Stufflebeam taking votes away from Kirk, Alexi wins with around 40% or so of the vote (nobody will get a majority). If Alexi makes it to January without being indicted, it won’t likely be long before he is. Alexi will vote essentially exactly the same as Kirk. He is merely the Democrat Combiner, but a Combiner regardless. When Alexi is indicted, the corruption charges will cause considerable damage and harm to the Democrats, and especially Obama as a fellow Chicago crook. With this occurring throughout 2011, and perhaps into 2012, the damage Alexi stands to bring to the Democrats and Obama will be of enormous help to our cause (contrast that what a RINO like Kirk would do to us). If Alexi is indicted and convicted, this is where Gov. Bill Brady will come into play. A Gov. Brady, upon Alexi’s conviction or resignation, whichever comes first, will then appoint a Republican of credibility to the seat, and it won’t likely be Mark Kirk (Why ? Because Kirk can hardly hide his contempt for the popular outsider Brady. He doesn’t want to be associated with him or his campaign). At that point, we will have the best of both worlds, Kirk will be defeated and out of Congress, Alexi will be in prison, and a new Conservative Republican Senator will be seated in DC. But if Kirk wins in November, the only people who will win will be the Combine and the Democrats and the far-left.
Apologies for the length of this post, but folks need to understand this is not a simple contest, it certainly isn’t a Democrat vs. Republican one in the conventional sense, and there are a lot of things at work here that go beyond it being just a single Senate race. I hope I’ve been able to make it clear what I’m trying to accomplish here.
BTW..I think that Schumer takes on Durbin, and beats him, for Dem leader..
This is exciting news! Now, if the good people of Maine would get rid of the RINO twins, Snowe and Collins, we’d all be proud of them!
I guess there has to be some competition for these two. Hopefully, there will be some takers.
Thank you. Yes, in IL, you have to be willing to play hardball, it’s an unforgiving state. Not mentioned in my piece is that the Green Party of IL has done exceptionally well as of late because they get a lot of disgruntled voters sick of the corruption-as-usual practices of both parties. Blago didn’t even win 50% of the vote in 2006, Judy Baar Topinka, the GOP (Combiner) nominee didn’t even get to 40%. The Greenie got over 10%. It’s expected this time that LeAlan Jones, the Green candidate for the Senate, will probably break double-digits. If Kirk wins, it will be because Jones deprives Alexi of his needed votes of the Democrat/Left (which is why we need Stufflebeam to also get to 10% or higher).
As for a Schumer-Durbin race, that depends on a few things. First of all, Durbin’s health (and we’ve already seen that the Democrats are never honest about how bad off some of their members are — the example of South Dakota’s Tim Johnson comes to mind). Secondly, the Democrats are usually smart enough to put up workhorses and not showhorses in leadership. Schumer is way too much a showhorse, and that can work against him in the caucus. The last time a showhorse made it to the Dem Senate leadership was Ted Kennedy, when he made it to Majority Whip in 1969. He lasted all of two years before he was outhustled by Robert Byrd, and that ended Kennedy’s attempts to rise up the leader ladder.
Excellent post. I would be remiss, though, if I didn’t point out some of the drawbacks involved in voting for Stufflebeam and letting Giannoulias win.
1. While Kirk is an ultraliberal on social issues and not very conservative on anything else, he would not vote exactly the same as Giannoulias. One recent example: Kirk voted against Obamacare. Kirk would likely compile an ACU rating 40-50 points higher than Giannoulias.
2. If Giannoulias wins, it is not a certainty that he’ll be indicted, much less convicted (and there’s no way that he’ll resign with Brady in the governorship).
3. If the GOP falls short of a Senate majority, Leahy, Schumer, etc. will stay as committee chairmen and keep pushing the same Marxist agenda.
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