Posted on 08/10/2010 2:28:39 PM PDT by GOPGuide
A man that is only 1/3rd or 2/3rds conservative, is no conservative.
It will be the middle of the roaders....
You lose them you lose.
I don't know if it's over half, but it a very large portion.
Social Conservatives do not put their allegiance to party and often vote on a single issues, or group of issues.
Then again, it matters a lot as to what are considered "Socila Issues". Many would lump together guns, illegals, abortion, gays etc. into that category.
Some anti-religious bigots really just mean "religious issues", gays and abortion.
Though I believe many conservatives would like the pot to be a little bigger and include them all.
I believe you are missing the point he was trying to make. He is neither pro gay or pro abortion, he will simply concentrate on the economy first as a priority and not push for an agenda that centers on those issues. He is not saying he is a lefty on those, but that he sees on the horizon a sh*tstorm coming that takes priority over everything else now.
He avoids social conservatism like the plague.
No more RINOs and no more pretenders.
The underlying problem is that some "conservatives" don't want to lead people to virtue by persuasion and example (that's too much like work), and so they want the gummint to do it for them. This is no different, really, than a bum wanting the gummint to support him instead of getting off his butt and working for a living.
IMO he has the experience and sufficient steel in his spine to do the right thing regarding fiscal discipline, and , for what little the head of governemnt can do, will do the right thing on social issues ( ie on abortion funding he will sign a bill put before him)
We are so effed up right now, we need a Christie -type of administrator, and not a sanctimonious Huckabee type who will buckle on government austerity while giving useless and maudlin speeches.
Then step aside for those less stupid than yourself who do know, idiot.
His platform is basically "I don't know, and I don't care!"
That will make a super T-shirt.
Met the man several times, heard him speak and as a business owner watched closely what he has done to this state in terms of keeping it in the black while others have sank. He is not the perfect candidate, no one man can be here, but he is the best by far throwing his hat in the ring right now IMHO.
(Also he really likes Sarah Palin as well, he was asked about her when I was standing there and you could just tell he lit up and gave a genuine smile when she was mentioned)
Not saying that you are totally ignorant or a liar, but where do you see the Socons on this chart, and where do you see your types, are you secular?
While the primary topic of this thread is interesting, what I found even more interesting came from one of the bloogers on HotAir who was discussing the subject of Mr. Daniels comments (Mary in LA on June 11, 2010).
“Mary in LA” asked: “What would the legal remedies be for the harms that might be done to a mother by her unborn baby, if they were done by a born person?”
She then goes into an analysis of a set of “harms” that she says an unborn person could do to it’s mother, were the mother FORCED to complete the pregnancy.
Among many disturbing things, one of them is the state of “Mary in LA’s” mind and reasoning, which ignores that the “unborn” did not create any of the conditions being discussed, yet she analyzes the “harms” as if the “unborn” would be guilty of them if any of them came to pass. Of course, she also ignores that yes, the mother had a “choice”, a choice not to conceive a child in the first place. But Mary is one of those who thinks that choice can simply be undone by killing the child in the womb.
You have to read her blog post; its amazing and disturbing.
What about the candidate that says these are not Federal issues, but State issues and refuse to take a position on them when running for Federal office?
And, what if they ALSO pledge to confirm only judges who are STRICT CONSTRUCTIONISTS to the Federal courts?
Would that be enough, or would they also have to pledge to take an official position and vote in a certain way at the Federal level...even if they believe the Constitution forbids Federal involvement?
Social Conservatives provide the same sort of energy for Republican candidates that the public employee unions do for the Democrats. Recall that Bush almost lost in 2000 when on the eve of the election they Democrats sprung their little drunk driving trap. Lots of people who saw Bush as a “church” types stayed home because they felt betrayed.
In any case, it is because Republicans have thought the way you do since Reagan’s time, that it was enough to give lip -service to the pro-life cause is the problem.
Gov. Daniels took a whole raft of you-know-what after he floated this brain-dead idea. He appears since to have pretty much backed off it.
Gov. Daniels has an excellent record as a pro-life, fiscally-conservative, small-government conservative. I wouldn’t not vote for the fellow because he tried out a bone-head idea as a trial balloon over two years from election day.
I understand what he was trying to say. If it were possible to put all the other issues on hold, and just get all people of good will, whether socially-liberal or socially-conservative, to focus on fixing the fiscal disaster befalling us, that might be a good thing.
The problem is not the idea but the premises undergirding it.
First false premise - that you can put social issues “on hold.” Good luck with that with your first Supreme Court nomination. Good luck with that when folks want to continue Planned Parenthood funding, and sending American aid dollars overseas to abortionists. That’s not exactly putting the issue “on hold” - looks more to me like “maintaining the pro-death status quo.”
Second false premise - that there are people of good will who are socially-liberal. Anyone who thinks that women have a right to dead babies is a person of evil will and bad faith. We are the frogs to their scorpions. We proceed across the river with them on our backs at our own grave risk.
Third false premise - that there are all that many folks who are socially-liberal who also would agree with conservative ideas about fixing the deficit, etc. I don’t think so. Many of these folks are going to be fine raising taxes to close the deficit. Few folks who are socially-liberal are also truly small-government conservative. I’m not saying they don’t exist, just that they’re not a meaningful part of the electorate or the political class.
If I hear more of this sort of garbage from Gov. Daniels, I will refuse to support him in 2012. But if he continues to move away from it, I’ll give him a mulligan. He’s a good guy and deserves it.
Without social issues there is no point.
I had a thread pulled and was told that if it had involved tax dollars it might not have been.
I said it - and reading through the 1st Chapter of Romans, apparently God is saying it, also.
"Deal with the financial and we can then try and deal with the rest."
They are part of the same - we are heading into economic ruin BECAUSE we have given a nod-and-a-wink to everything that God tells us not to do.
You may not be a believer in the Bible ("a good book, but not really applicable to today's world"), but that doesn't mean it isn't the Truth.
Welcome to FR, you have already built up a nice little troll posting history in your first five days.
And all the liberaltarians, I mean libertarians, vote dem so we ignore them too.
I am going to save this article and when all the tooters, McCainiacs, country clubbers, and Willardites come out supporting this guy, I’ll be happy to remind them exactly who he is and why he will never get elected.
The “fiscal conservatives” have no gauge to determine whats a waste without social conservatism.
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