Video of the Largest Wolf Pack Ever Found in Oregon

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[Korah]

Thanks to U.S. District Judge Donald Molloy's ruling (PDF file of preliminary injunction order) that the Endangered Species Act protections must be reinstated for wolves in both Montana and Idaho, be prepared to hear of more reports about large packs of wolves roaming the countryside in neighboring states like the one that was filmed in Oregon.  Even though neither state, Washington or Oregon, were part of the Fish and Wildlife Service's wolf reintroduction program, they are definitely a recipient of the outcome. It was the late "90"s when the first wolves made it to Oregon, now they are beginning to roam in large packs.... (excerpt)

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Largest Wolf Pack Ever Found in Oregon

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[Republic of Texas]

From what I understand, the Wolves being re-introduced are about twice the size of the Wolves that were eliminated. That is not balance. They aren’t the same Wolves, nor do they have the same number of prey animals today. So when a 180 lb Wolf is starving what will it eat? Whatever it can.

[Tom Hawks]

Similarly, they are far from "killing everything in their path".

Then explain this. This was done in one small little hunting area, they didn't even eat them. They left them to rot. Some of them had to be shot to be put out of their misery because they were still alive when the hunter found them.

This is repeated around the Northwest where these killers have been released more times than the left will admit. Read the accounts of Freepers who have been eye witness to these monsters. Like I said, in the lower 48 they should be exterminated, not supported and increased.

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[5by5]

That’s probably why the wolves I saw in the UP of Michigan were scared of people. There are plenty of folks up there with the inclination to shoot, shovel, and shut up.

I was less than 25 feet from a wolf chasing a cow elk in Yellowstone. The wolf was locked on to the one elk that the pack had been harrying for over an hour. It chased the elk through a group of spectators but didn’t give us a glance (I was with 12 middle school kids).

[Smokin' Joe]

Should we kill all of them too?

Typical liberal tactic. All or nothing.

It is one thing to have some of these creatures survive in the hinterlands, quite another to build populations of them in areas where humans live.

There is a reason they were hunted until their numbers diminished so they were no longer a threat to humans.

Idiots are about to read all about it again, provided it makes their city's newspaper with the 'who is dating who and 'who wore what to what gala' stories--you know, the important stuff.

Those of us who can no longer wander the far reaches of our own property unarmed because of all the 'reintroduction' going on are on the front lines while you REMFs push for stuffing more dangerous critters in our back yards.

Now take a step back and realize this is all part of the UN Agenda 21 "rewilding" program designed to stuff humans into cities and narrow corridors where they can be completely controlled.

And, if you have a lick of sense, oppose the 'reintroduction' of alien predatory species into habitats where, by law there are no predatory controls.

look at what alien predatory species are doing to the Everglades, for Pete's sake.

[txhurl]

Similarly, they are far from "killing everything in their path".

Wrong. You have never owned or lived around one. They kill to eat, but they also kill for the fun of it. It's imperative they train their pups to kill early in life, and small animals are the best training subjects.

Yes, they kill dogs and coyotes because they perceive them as competitors, but they don't waste energy on non-sustenance engagements if they can help it.

Wrong again. Wolves, when not asleep, are bored out of their skulls unless tracking something to kill.

Yes, there have been isolated incidents (one every eight years on average) that haven't been fully explained, but we also have had black bears pursue and kill people within a hot sprin Fact of the matter is, that statistically wolves have virtually no aggressive history with man in North America.

YET.

Look, I'm a big admirer of wolves, I adopted a starving 90% grey hybrid that was to be put down (bad mistake).

I put 30lbs on her, and got repaid with a real big murderess. She was brilliant, gorgeous, funny, and climbed fences to murder neighbors' turtles and ducks!

Adopt a wolf yourself if you just can't believe it.

[Freedom_Is_Not_Free]

Your argument is weak to the point of emptiness.

There are 80 million domestic dogs in the USA.

12 fatal dog attacks is 1.2 deaths per 8 millions dogs or about 6.7 million dogs per human death.

So no, a person would have to be an idiot to even push such an asinine argument as exterminating 80 million animals to save 12 human lives.

On the other hand, urban gang-bangers kill humans at a much higher rate, so I would agree with exterminating all domestic gang-bangers in the spirit of saving human lives. I’m good with that.

[UnwashedPeasant]

You are right. We should exterminate all animals capable of killing people, even if they rarely or never do so. This include all domestic dogs capable of killing children.

[drtom]

There's a difference between "killing everything in their paths" and a natural hunting instinct.

I have seen grays take out three bison calves in a row although the pack could only get rid of 1 1/2 afterwards. The reason was (a) the pack was so large that it couldn't communicate and agree on a single target (it split while the hunt was on) and (b) when the hunting frenzy developed it was impossible to stop them. Human behavior is quite similar by the way. Think of the buffalo eradication in the 1800s. After some trophy bulls were taken sometimes shooting frenzies developed just to kill and the carcasses were also left to rot on the prairie. Or the Japs in Nanking during the war. And so forth. It's a predatory instinct. Ever seen a henhouse after a nightly visit by a raccoon? Nothing left alive, yet only one bird taken away. Housecat empty a golf fish pond? Same story.

Yet, you can have an entire pack play with the pups for four hours while deer stand in visible range. You can see buffalo grazing right beside a resting pack. In fact, as a human you can even acquaint with a pack and get fairly close.

So, hunting instinct, yes. Killing everything in their paths, definitely not.

But allow me to make one concession: there are such things as marauding packs. They don't have a territory or develop a proper pack hierarchy and are often lacking alpha wolves. They are rogue packs that do indeed spend the entire day travelling and hunting. But that's not a wolf pack just like a marauding drug gang is not an assembly of human beings.

[Republic of Texas]

Let’s expose the red herring further. Should we kill all Chihuahua’s because Pit Bulls occasionally kill people? That doesn’t make sense, and neither does the premise put forward by Mariner. As for the Gang Bangers. They like to think they are soldiers. Kill them all.

[txhurl]

Adopt a wolf or a gang-banger and report back with your results.

Until then, you are lost in leftist theory.

[drtom]

Never owned: you are correct. Never lived around one: I have. Good friend of mine in Ft. Fitzgerald nursed an injured bitch back to health and then decided to keep her because her foot didn't heal. Saw her almost every day.

See my post to Tom Hawks: there is a difference between killing to teach, train, etc. and "killing everything in its path".

Re boredom: sorry, but I have observed packs that spend an entire day grooming, socializing, playing, rearing, cleaning the area, you name it. If you adopted a wolf and expected her to be sitting nicely in the yard, without a pack, without a purpose and without constant interaction, then it is no wonder that she started to entertain herself. A wolf is not a domestic dog and a master/owner (no matter how benevolent) does not replace the social interaction and hierarchy of a pack. Lone wolves, even in the wild, are strange. So are lone lions, hyenas or elephants. Animals that are instinctively drawn to form social groups turn erratic if this environment is withheld.

And they do retain their predatory instincts. You need to be aware of this and compensate for it. A very difficult thing to do, which is why it is not recommended to have wild animals as pets.

Although it honors you that you tried to save one from starving.

[drtom]

Until then, you are lost in leftist theory.

Wish I had seen this before I engaged in a response to your previous post.

Sorry, I had really just wanted to chat with someone who also has had direct experience with wolves and found your post very intriguing. But I have long given up carrying on conversations with people that include primitive political attacks in their responses. Could have been a good conversation. Oh, well. Good night.

[txhurl]

You’re not listening. My wolf on her own volition was a joyful killing machine, without pack backup. With a wolf posse, God knows what she’d have done.

Your argument is great in say, Fairbanks, but not in Oregon.

Just go get one and see. They kill for the fun and training of it. It’s not bad, or wrong... if they’re not hunting livestock or pets.

Then it’s wrong. Well, here. A lone coyote attacked our gov’s dog while on a run last June.

Pack animals do go rogue outside the pack sometimes.

[txhurl]

people that include primitive political attacks in their responses

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Thanks for the new tag, I needed one.

You don’t want to know the truth about wolves, you want your romantic fantasy about these killers. Fine.

[TNdandelion]

Maybe he hasn’t read “Call of the Wild” by Jack London. A classic.

[TNdandelion]

Actually, in the US, we do put down dogs that have proven to be vicious either by attacks on humans or other pets/livestock.

Wolves that are threatening livestock or humans should be either removed from the area (relocated) or destroyed. Why anyone wanted to reintroduce them or increase their numbers is beyond me. They should have stuck with unicorns and butterflies.

[Domangart]

They never left.

[Mr. K]

When my children were young babies I saw a fox stalking them- I found that thing and shot it, but there is no way to ever remove that feeling of terror from your head wondering what would have happened if I had been slower

[Recovering Ex-hippie]

wow..you certainly must be smart to habe such a brilliant reply...

I listen to those posters that have something to say on the subject.

You prove nothing. You blather and make personal atacks. sounds more like a Lib style.

[Mr. K]

Mariner, what do you think will happen when the wolves get all fat and healthy (and umerous) on elk and deer, thinning out the heards consierably... then start looking for OTHER things to eat.

When these things start going after people how are you going to feel?

The numbers should never be artificially changed. Let supply and demand take care of it for us.