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Judges evade Obama birth-certificate query
WND ^ | July 25, 2010 | Bob Unruh

Posted on 07/25/2010 5:29:54 PM PDT by RobinMasters

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To: syc1959
Vattel, …is more explicit and more satisfactory on it [CITIZENSHIP ISSUES] than any other whose work has fallen into my hands...

It just doesn't have the force of law.

81 posted on 07/26/2010 9:03:36 AM PDT by lucysmom (Trolling since 2001.)
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To: Red Steel
Obama still received A British/Kenyan citizenship at birth from his father...

So you're an American patriot that believes Kenyan law trumps US law?

82 posted on 07/26/2010 9:15:41 AM PDT by lucysmom (Trolling since 2001.)
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To: noinfringers
With this condition why was it necessary for BHO’s mother and father to get a divorce in a Hawaiian court?

You might want to read this

GROUNDS FOR DIVORCE
Common grounds for a fault divorce are adultery, bigamy, cruelty, desertion, incest and insanity. Hawaii has adopted "no fault" divorce laws that allow divorce without showing that one spouse was at fault. A divorce can be obtained because of incompatibility or irreconcilable differences or if spouses live apart for a period of time.

http://www.diehlandweger.com/services/divorce.html

83 posted on 07/26/2010 9:36:48 AM PDT by lucysmom (Trolling since 2001.)
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To: lucysmom

OK you seem like a fairly honest Democrat to me.

Did you know Rev. Wright is ex-NOI?


84 posted on 07/26/2010 10:14:52 AM PDT by Exmil_UK
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To: little jeremiah

You are correct. They are not synonymous, as the USSC has stated.

In the landmark case of Marbury v. Madison, the Court noted (my paraphrase here) that every clause of the Constitution must have an effect, and to remove such effect (i.e., equating citizen and natural born citizen) is inadmissible (not a valid argument) before the Court.

Equating the terms citizen and natural born citizen removes the effect of the “natural born citizen” clause.

This clause was placed here by the Founding fathers, who, having just shed their blood to gain their independence and freedom, saw the dangers of having it taken away internally.


85 posted on 07/26/2010 12:05:36 PM PDT by NOVACPA
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To: lucysmom
Vattel, …is more explicit and more satisfactory on it [CITIZENSHIP ISSUES] than any other whose work has fallen into my hands... It just doesn't have the force of law.

Neither does Article II of the Constitution in the hands of the Ruling Class.

86 posted on 07/26/2010 12:17:49 PM PDT by Uncle Chip (TRUTH : Ignore it. Deride it. Allegorize it. Interpret it. But you can't ESCAPE it.)
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To: Frantzie

Apuzzo sued Obama before he was elected and after he was elected.


And lost both ways.


87 posted on 07/26/2010 12:50:46 PM PDT by jamese777
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To: lucysmom

If it didn’t have the force of the law, why did the Supreme Court use it?


88 posted on 07/26/2010 1:47:03 PM PDT by syc1959
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To: jamese777

Apuzzo sued after Obama became president elect, after the time period in which Obama was supposed to be qualified by Congress *and* before Obama was sworn in as President.

That meens Obama was sued after he ceased to be a powerless candidate, but before he aquired the immunities of the office of POTUS.


89 posted on 07/26/2010 2:54:14 PM PDT by Exmil_UK
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To: lucysmom
Judges have to play by established rules too.
Really?! I guess they've found out that others know the rules as well or better than they do 'cause they're the ones backing down and changing their decisions once they find out that a long form birth certificate would be required under the "rules".
They're "playing" all right.
90 posted on 07/26/2010 2:55:15 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: 1234

Witnesses and photographs, no video:

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&client=firefox-a&hs=H2q&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&q=obama+retaking+oath&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=


91 posted on 07/26/2010 3:06:59 PM PDT by GreenLanternCorps ("Barack Obama" is Swahili for "Jimmy Carter".)
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To: LorenC

Here’s a recording of an Obama you might like, especially the bit 2 mins in:-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rep-MB-wbkU


92 posted on 07/26/2010 3:08:07 PM PDT by Exmil_UK
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To: 1234

Oops, I got my date wrong, the retake was apparently on January 22nd, not the 21st.


93 posted on 07/26/2010 3:09:36 PM PDT by GreenLanternCorps ("Barack Obama" is Swahili for "Jimmy Carter".)
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To: Exmil_UK

Apuzzo sued after Obama became president elect, after the time period in which Obama was supposed to be qualified by Congress *and* before Obama was sworn in as President.

That meens Obama was sued after he ceased to be a powerless candidate, but before he aquired the immunities of the office of POTUS.


Apuzzo, Taitz, Donofrio, Berg and Martin lawsuits have been dismissed for lack of standing regardles of when they were filed or adjudicated. These attorneys did not present plaintiffs to the Court who were eligible to sue.

John McCain would be eligible to sue. Sarah Palin might conceivably be ruled eligible to sue. The Republican National Committee might be ruled eligible to sue. But individual citizens cannot show direct injury-in-fact.

Rather than suing Obama civilly, it made more sense to me to go after him via a criminal investigation for fraud, forgery and/or election fraud. There are no standing hurdles to overcome and it is easier to subpoena birth records and compel witnesses to testify in a Grand Jury investigation.


94 posted on 07/26/2010 3:52:41 PM PDT by jamese777
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To: tpmintx
You have a recording of this? Were the specified words spoken?

Nope, they muffed it again. However he may have signed a written version. Or he may not. It matters not, not eligible is still "Not Eligible". The oath is just another requirement to hold the office, along with the age, residency and natural born citizen requirements.

95 posted on 07/26/2010 5:29:24 PM PDT by El Gato ("The second amendment is the reset button of the US constitution"-Doug McKay)
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To: chicken head
wow, so the second swear in wasnt leagal

There's no requirement to swear the oath on a Bible, or any other Holy Book. There's not even a requirement that the oath be taken orally, or that the Chief Justice administer it. Several President's have been sworn in by other than the Chief Justice, LBJ for example when JFK was killed, and a couple of others who took office under similar circumstances. Some of those re-took the oath later. One originally was not even done by a federal judge at all.

96 posted on 07/26/2010 5:34:11 PM PDT by El Gato ("The second amendment is the reset button of the US constitution"-Doug McKay)
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To: syc1959
How does being born in Kenya, equate to any US Citizenship?

It could relate to statutory citizenship at birth. But that's naturalized citizenship, since naturalization is the only power Congress has over citizenship.

However under the statutes then in existance, BO's mother did not have sufficient residency in the US to pass on citizenship, unless she was not married. If she was legally married to BHO Sr, then Jr was not a citizen at birth. If she wasn't, then he was a naturalized citizen at birth, if born in Kenya.

If born in the US he's a native but not Natural Born, citizen.

97 posted on 07/26/2010 5:39:45 PM PDT by El Gato ("The second amendment is the reset button of the US constitution"-Doug McKay)
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To: Maximum Leader
7 FAM 1133.4-3 Birth Out of Wedlock to American Mother (TL:CON-68; 04-01-1998) a. Section 309 (c) INA: A child born abroad out of wedlock after December 24, 1952, to a U.S. citizen mother acquires U.S. citizenship if the mother was physically present continuously for 1 year in the United States or its outlying possessions at any time prior to the child’s birth.

Such persons are "naturalized at birth", just as are those who meet the criteria required when the mother is married to a foreign national and the birth occurs outside the US.

98 posted on 07/26/2010 5:43:41 PM PDT by El Gato ("The second amendment is the reset button of the US constitution"-Doug McKay)
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To: syc1959
If it didn’t have the force of the law, why did the Supreme Court use it?

You provide the context and I'll answer the question.

99 posted on 07/26/2010 6:10:48 PM PDT by lucysmom (Trolling since 2001.)
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To: jamese777

No troll.


100 posted on 07/26/2010 6:26:10 PM PDT by Frantzie (Democrats = Party of I*lam)
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