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To: imahawk

The fact is, there is a certain percentage of cops who are scum. Maybe 1%, maybe 2%. It doesn’t mean the rest are. But also just don’t **** with cops. They have been called to a man with a gun. They ask the man to get on the floor, and according to the eyewitness, he moved his arm instead. Now the eyewitness, from a couple of feet away, say there was no gun. How far away was the cop? 20 feet?

If a cop has been called to “guy in store waving a gun” call, and they tell you to get on the ground, I think it would be very sensible to do that.

Maybe they’re scum though.

But equally, how much should they put their life in danger? This guy moves his arm - how long should they wait to check & see whether there is no gun in it?

The “second volley of shots” is probably the most disturbing element of the story though.


12 posted on 07/13/2010 4:34:26 AM PDT by chuck_the_tv_out ( <<< click my name: now featuring Freeper classifieds)
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To: chuck_the_tv_out
I think when they sign on the dotted line to be a cop, they have placed their life above others. It seems the police have an easier ROE than the boys in the STAN do. If any of them had tried this in the Helmand, he would be right along Stan Macchrystal right now. COPS should be all charged with murder, If I have to expect to be able to show good judgment when getting shot at, they should show good judgment when no shots are fired Ranting off
21 posted on 07/13/2010 5:14:55 AM PDT by hoskinsr3106
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To: chuck_the_tv_out

ANY motion, including “getting down on the ground” would be taken by these officers as threatening and they would shoot. Once they have shot him once they have to finish the job so he can’t tell a story different from theirs. The constant flood of stories of cops shooting dogs who barked or who took no notice of the cops and the many women who get multiply “tazed” implies to me that people join the force with the expectation that they get to shoot or at least “taze” someone if they go out on a call. Maybe it is in the union contract. Hereabouts I would not hesitate to call police to a situation on the beach because the beach police are part of the tourist industry and don’t wish to scare off the tourists. In the burbs back of the beach I would not call a policeman to a situation for any reason. They do not feel constrained by the need to keep the goodwill of any tourists.


38 posted on 07/13/2010 6:20:26 AM PDT by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's "Economics In One Lesson.")
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To: chuck_the_tv_out

The cop was close enough to come up behind him and tap him on the shoulder! 2 of those responding had less than 2 yrs. on the force! Not exactly lots of experience there!

Both of my brothers were cops, in major cities, they will be the first to tell you there are a lot of yahoos on the police force. When you have to beg for recruits you don’t necessarily get the cream of the crop!


47 posted on 07/13/2010 6:52:51 AM PDT by panthermom
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To: chuck_the_tv_out

They ask the man to get on the floor, and according to the eyewitness, he moved his arm instead.


How the **** are you supposed to get on the ground without moving an arm?!


55 posted on 07/13/2010 7:16:33 AM PDT by Atlas Sneezed (Anything worth doing, is worth doing badly at first.)
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To: chuck_the_tv_out
...how long should they wait to check & see whether there is no gun in it?

Maybe until they are reasonably certain there is an actual threat? That is the standard for deadly force in self defense and I believe it is universal to everyone, and in law there is no lower standard applying to police.

They accept a certain risk in taking that job and plenty of other jobs are more dangerous.

So far there has been quite a chorus of folks who claim to have been there and saw no threat, and based on my experience I have to say that's a very believable scenario. Of course "news" articles and anonymous posted comments are never the whole story and I don't believe what we have so far entitles us to judge either way. But I think some explaining needs to be done.

95 posted on 07/13/2010 9:31:39 PM PDT by Clinging Bitterly (We need to limit political office holders to two terms. One in office, and one in prison.)
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