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To: jessduntno
I realize that everyone is busy and you have to condense your news and information search by surfing certain trusted sources. However, this issue is important enough that I highly recommend that you take the time to read the original source documents and not rely on something your brother told you he heard from someone who really, truly "knows."

I happen to be a lawyer, but I think the issues in this matter are clear enough for the layman to understand.

The federal government through the DOJ is asserting its supremacy in the field of immigration policy. Never mind the fact that they have been incredibly ineffective and inactive in efforts to solve the problem. I think they have two difficulties:

  1. AZ is not trying to create immigration policy, rather they are trying to enforce their own police powers, an in doing so reference the Federal Immigration standards defining illegal alien status, and
  2. the failure of the federal government to do anything effective is palpable, demonstrable, and at some point this failure to protect the country because "we're working on it" is no longer sufficient excuse to preempt the field of law enforcement in this area from AZ's participation.

I recommend that everyone read the original complaint:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/document-cloud/arizona-immigration-lawsuit-doc1.html?sid=ST2010070603384

 

18 posted on 07/06/2010 2:08:09 PM PDT by Wally_Kalbacken
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To: Wally_Kalbacken
If their case weren't so weak, it would be hilarious, but the fact they are willing to expend whatever political capital they THINK they have on this nonsense worries me...they are more out of touch with reality than I thought, or are ready to engage in a more forthright coups d'etat..

A coup d'état (pronounced /ˌkuːdeɪˈtɑː/, us dict: kōō′·dā·tâ′), or coup for short, is the sudden unconstitutional deposition of a legitimate government, usually by a small group of the existing state establishment — typically the military — to replace the deposed government with another, either civil or military. A coup d’état succeeds when the usurpers establish their legitimacy if the attacked government fail to thwart them, by allowing their (strategic, tactical, political) consolidation and then receiving the deposed government’s surrender; or the acquiescence of the populace and the non-participant military forces.

Typically, a coup d’état uses the extant government’s power to assume political control of the country. In Coup d'État: A Practical Handbook, military historian Edward Luttwak says: "A coup consists of the infiltration of a small, but critical, segment of the state apparatus, which is then used to displace the government from its control of the remainder”, thus, armed force (either military or paramilitary) is not a defining feature of a coup d’État.

25 posted on 07/06/2010 2:52:44 PM PDT by jessduntno (I'm not a racist, you're just saying that because I'm white.)
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To: Wally_Kalbacken

Excellent point. I agree that “source documents” should be used as often as possible in matters such as this. Also, Kudos to WaPo for posting the reader versions of the complaint and the law side by side.

I’m anxious to hear Levin comment on the complaint. They argue that AZ is making it’s own immigration policy (which they obviously aren’t) to claim violation of supremacy, and argue that they’re interfering with illegals movement from state to state - violating the commerce clause. Now that takes some huevos (pun intended)

I find it amazing that in the body of the argument they contend that inquiring into immigration status should be at the “discretion” of the officer. Amazing. They seem to concede that an officer is within his authority to question legal status - but his authority is only valid if it is used under his sole discretion. Bizarre, absolutely Bizarre.

Like I said I read it myself - but I’m anxious to hear Levin’s take.


26 posted on 07/06/2010 3:05:07 PM PDT by crescen7 (game on)
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To: Wally_Kalbacken

Inasmuch as you are a lawyer, maybe you’d like to take a stab at answering a question that popped into my mind as I read this post. While I’m doubtful that it will happen, if the GOP captures both houses of Congress this November, are cases like this in the area in which Congress can limit the federal judiciary’s jurisdiction, or is such a matter one of the areas in which the Constitution gives the Supreme Court original jurisdiction? And if Congress could deny federal court jurisdiction over this matter, would such action be subject to an Obama veto?


27 posted on 07/06/2010 3:14:27 PM PDT by Spartan79 (Malo periculosam libertatem quam quietam servitutem.)
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To: Wally_Kalbacken

Your first point is the one that matters. The Feds are claiming that their power to create immigration law has been usurped by the State of Arizona, yet the Arizona law does not change Federal law one iota. My question is this: Can a judge order the Federal government to pay Arizona’s legal fees for filing such a frivolous suit? Remember Billy Dale.


28 posted on 07/06/2010 3:18:34 PM PDT by Hoodat (.For the weapons of our warfare are mighty in God for pulling down strongholds.)
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To: Wally_Kalbacken

If their suit is based on preemption, then anyone who preempts federal immigration in the affirmative (or negative) should be sued...that SHOULD include cities who afford “sanctuary” status to illegals.(which is preempting FEDERAL law )


35 posted on 07/07/2010 7:53:18 AM PDT by WOBBLY BOB (drain the swamp! ( then napalm it and pave it over ))
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