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The 17th Amendment Revisited
Mens News Daily ^ | July 2, 2010 | Thomas Brewton

Posted on 07/05/2010 4:27:19 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks

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1 posted on 07/05/2010 4:27:24 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
It was probably WWI that was the primary cause of the growth of the federal bureaucracy.

If we'd simply backed up Germany we'd have avoided the downstream costs of WWII as well as the Cold War.

Mistakes were made eh!

2 posted on 07/05/2010 4:37:08 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
---Because Senators were originally elected by their state legislatures, they had to be attendant to the wishes of the individual states and could not, as now under the 17th Amendment, respond primarily to pressure from national political parties to conform to the dictates of special interest groups such as public employees labor unions or “green” fanatics.--

--a lot of folks didn't approve of their senator being elected by the railroads either , thus the 17th amendment-----

3 posted on 07/05/2010 4:43:04 PM PDT by rellimpank (--don't believe anything the MSM tells you about firearms or explosives--NRA Benefactor)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
The notion of the Supreme Court as sole defender of the Constitution is only a recent phenomena.

The President and members of Congress swear to support and defend the Constitution. When they pass unconstitutional legislation we have only ourselves to blame for electing the dirtbags.

4 posted on 07/05/2010 5:05:24 PM PDT by Jacquerie
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To: muawiyah

You can’t be serious.


5 posted on 07/05/2010 5:06:08 PM PDT by Melas
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

BTTT


6 posted on 07/05/2010 5:11:23 PM PDT by verga (I am not an apologist, I just play one on Television)
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To: Melas
Not everyone in this 1/4 ancestry from Germany country agreed with the idea of joining with the Brits to beat up the Ottomans and the Axis (Germany and Austro-Hungary).

The Eastern European community in Chicago cut a deal with Wilson ~ if they pacified their constituencies here to accept the WWI draft then Wilson would make sure their language compatriots back in the old country would get their own nationstates, to wit, Hungary, Austria, Serbia, Slovenia, Poland, etc.

In retrospect when it comes to the Middle East we were certainly ahead with the Ottomans running things ~ and they were quite willing to sell land to the Jews (starting with the Golan Heights themselves).

I try to take as an objective view of WWI as possible ~ and the British argument for our entry on their side still doesn't add up.

7 posted on 07/05/2010 5:24:19 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: rellimpank

“a lot of folks didn’t approve of their senator being elected by the railroads either”

By the railroads? What does that mean?


8 posted on 07/05/2010 5:24:49 PM PDT by webstersII
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To: muawiyah

Makes sense to me. Civil unrest in post WWI was largely due to economic distress that was a result of the war.


9 posted on 07/05/2010 5:26:19 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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—the railroads purchased the state legislators, who then sent the railroad candidate to the senate-—


10 posted on 07/05/2010 5:39:23 PM PDT by rellimpank (--don't believe anything the MSM tells you about firearms or explosives--NRA Benefactor)
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To: rellimpank; webstersII
Railroads were important. Their care and wellbeing was very important to the national economy ~ critical in fact.

They hadn't built roads at the time so there really wasn't any alternative to them.

If you didn't pick the railroad guy to go to the Senate you would have ended up with another guy, different name, who had remarkably similar views.

Increasing the size of the electorate (from the legislators to the public at large) didn't do a whole lot ~ in many states it simply handed over the selection of the senators from the legislature to the Ku Klux Klan!

11 posted on 07/05/2010 5:46:36 PM PDT by muawiyah
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“—the railroads purchased the state legislators, who then sent the railroad candidate to the senate-—”

Is that significantly different from what we have today? The special interests give lots of money to certain candidates, regardless of whether they are in their state or not. Even Scott Brown got money from conservatives in other states.


12 posted on 07/05/2010 5:47:31 PM PDT by webstersII
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-it isn’t much different—and is why I feel that this “repeal the 17th amendment” stuff is so much silliness—does anyone seriously think that the present California state legislature, for example, would elect anyone different than Boxer or Feinstein?


13 posted on 07/05/2010 6:19:53 PM PDT by rellimpank (--don't believe anything the MSM tells you about firearms or explosives--NRA Benefactor)
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does anyone seriously think that the present California state legislature, for example, would elect anyone different than Boxer or Feinstein?
The irony is that while the legislature of a state has little to say about the US Senate, it can influence its congressional delegation by redrawing district lines.

14 posted on 07/05/2010 6:44:37 PM PDT by conservatism_IS_compassion ( DRAFT PALIN)
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—yep—and many of them have certainly done that—in a manner intended to protect incumbents, always-—


15 posted on 07/05/2010 6:48:28 PM PDT by rellimpank (--don't believe anything the MSM tells you about firearms or explosives--NRA Benefactor)
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To: webstersII

it means that senate seats were being bought by big industry especially in the small states, In Montana they were bought by the copper industry.


16 posted on 07/05/2010 7:20:37 PM PDT by chemengineer42
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The irony is that while the legislature of a state has little to say about the US Senate, it can influence its congressional delegation by redrawing district lines.

Over the past 60 years, Republicans have controlled the U.S. Senate a lot more than the U.S. House.

The reason? It's a lot harder to gerrymander a state.

17 posted on 07/05/2010 9:54:37 PM PDT by bIlluminati (Don't just hope for change, work for change in 2010.)
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Over the past 60 years, Republicans have controlled the U.S. Senate a lot more than the U.S. House.
The reason? It's a lot harder to gerrymander a state.
. . . and if anything, the state borders as they exist tend to favor the Republicans.

And even at that, Republicans can't consistently win. The reason being, that conservatives are people who have principles other than political convenience - and Democrats' principles, if such they be, align perfectly with political convenience.

Political convenience, as I define it, is nothing other than "tending to reinforce the inherent biases of wire service journalism."

The inherent biases of wire service journalism include the bias that it has in rejecting the very possibility of its own bias, and the bias against individuals getting credit for the efficacy of work apart from criticism, condmenation and complaint which is the forte of journalism.

18 posted on 07/06/2010 6:29:59 AM PDT by conservatism_IS_compassion ( DRAFT PALIN)
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To: rellimpank
does anyone seriously think that the present California state legislature, for example, would elect anyone different than Boxer or Feinstein?
The sovereign remedy for that would be to have a single election for governor and senator - if you get elected as senator, you should serve there for four years and then serve as governor for four years. Then see how easy it is to get bills imposing unfunded mandates on the states through the Senate!

19 posted on 07/06/2010 7:31:57 AM PDT by conservatism_IS_compassion ( DRAFT PALIN)
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--and in Nevada in its early history by Senator William Sharon, who was the Nevada silver mining "king"--(not that I think that that was all bad.)

--Sharon was an interesting character, who probably deserves the overall title of "worst" senator ever, from the standpoint of constituent service--he was only present in D. C. for something like six weeks of his term, spending most of his time in San Francisco and precious little in Nevada.

--in later life he was embroiled in one of the leading sex scandals of the time, which indirectly lead to the death of another scoundrel named David Terry---.

20 posted on 07/06/2010 7:42:02 AM PDT by rellimpank (--don't believe anything the MSM tells you about firearms or explosives--NRA Benefactor)
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