Posted on 06/29/2010 12:18:27 AM PDT by Route797
Officials said they expect an autopsy will confirm preliminary findings that a Mixed Martial Arts (MMA) fighter who made his professional debut at the "Confrontation at the Convocation" Saturday at the USC Aiken Convocation Center was pronounced dead Monday from blows he received during the weekend bout.
Thirty-year-old Michael Kirkham of Gaffney was struck five or six times during the first round. The father of five children received several blows to the head, which caused the referee to stop the bout, said Aiken County Coroner Tim Carlton.
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You don’t know crap about Combat Sports or how they work.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hP6r14cAqX4&f
Werdum played possum to get Fedor to follow him into Guard and then went through a chain of Submissions. Armbar to Triangle Armbar to Triangle.
Werdum beat a guy that hadn’t lost in 10 years. This is Chess, not Checkers.
Yeah, I have to think about the Nazis that would ban the sport.
As long as I can fight though, I don’t care if people are too ignorant to know what they are talking about.
The sport has enough fans now to continue and will probably keep growing. I don’t worry too much about people like those on this thread that don’t have a clue what they are talking about. As long as they can’t stop me from training and fighting, I don’t care what they think.
Why am I wondering if your own precious wee brain has been knocked around it’s brain pan a bit too much?
MMA’s not going to get banned, it’s to mainstream now.
Hell we are 6-12 months away from a UFC in Madison Square Garden
Haha Nope. The wee brain comment does intrigue me though
The link is private.
To be honest I have no idea of the size of your brain. I do know, though that YOU do not know what I know.
It’s getting to the point that even with football, the endless stories of former players and their health problems has taken a lot of the joy out of the game out for me, with each passing year, my interest in the NFL gets less and less. Players today are just way too big and way too fast from where they were even 30 years ago. F=MA, it’s the law!
What do you know that I don’t? That Combat Sports are bad?
That MMA is soo much more brutal than Boxing? A month ago I saw one of the nastiest cuts I have ever seen in combat sports. And guess what? It was in Boxing, due to an accidental headbutt. Not due to elbows, or nasty GNP, but an accidental clash of heads in a Boxing match.
Like I said in a previous post, more people have died in Professional Baseball in the last five years than have died in the HISTORY of Sanctioned MMA competition. Heck 2 years ago a third base coach lost his life because he took a foul ball in the neck. MLB response? Coaches wear Helmets. Wtf?
Thanks and Good Luck
But the intent of baseball is not to intentionally physically harm your opponent.
A local HS D-line outweighed the MN Vikings Purple People Eaters of 73. A High School D-Line!
The Goal is to win in a defined rule set that both sides agree to no?
FWIW I never liked pro boxing. Amateurs box, or even fight MMA for different reasons than pros. Pros have to push the boundary, because the risk factor sells. Listen to me. I’m saying this — pro MMA will get worse, bloodier. That’s the direction of these times, and even the trajectory of such a spectacle in any time.
If it isn’t a spectacle it doesn’t sell tickets.
MMA competitions will become more violent, and more will die.
It's much less "violent" than when it started. There were NO weight classes and "tournaments" were held one fight after another till there was one man standing. So some fighters were so beat up that they couldn't compete the following day/fight. Dana White saw that the future was in "stars" and the ability to have "action". Deaths are BAD for business and bad for the fighters. None of them are "killers" but the good ones have the "killer" instinct since it is a "martial" art.
In football and baseball, the sports become safer. The purpose is not to hurt, to disable you opponent
You're kidding, right? Defensive tackles rolling up on a quarterback's legs blows out knees, safeties are head hunting and everybody that hits a running back may not want to disable him but the sure want to "send him a message to not bring that weak sh#t through the line" as Lawrence Taylor used to say.
You tell me that Ronnie Lott, Jack Tatum and any of the Pittsburgh Steelers like Jack Ham, "Mean" Joe Green cared about scoring. They wanted and did put people out of the game.
Ask Darryl Stingley how an "exhibition game" went for him when he was hit by Jack Tatum. Mike Utley might question how safe football is. Look up the stats for high school and college players paralyzed playing football.
Boxing isn’t as bad, because in boxing hits — and not damage or pain — get scored.
puhleeze. The object is to knock your opponent unconscious for 10 seconds as the ideal. Leaving it to the judges comes in second. That's why they keep stats on "wins by knockouts" as a mark of a great fighter. "fighter".
Plus MMA does not teach how to fight! First rule of a real fight: Win easily.
finally this one. I've been in fights, I've boxed and have been trained in grappling. But every fight I've been involved in has ended up on the deck with elbows, feet, hands, gouges and I've been bitten. The only reason I didn't bite was because I was too busy elbowing.
The Marine Corps has added or modified it's training of hand to hand to incorporate the training and techniques of MMA. So yeah, it does show you how to fight. Cause all "real" fights are messy and usually last 20-30 seconds. Just like a gun fight in "real life" usually over in 5-7 seconds and within 5 feet.
The first rule of real fights is not to fight a opponent who can, will or may be able to fight back. Simple.
unless you have to defend yourself. If I was to get in a fight now, I'd hope to use my brain and leave ASAP. If I had to fight for my life, a gun. If unable to use my gun, a knife. If neither available a club or some object I can hold on to. Finally if it came to it, I'd resort to hands, feet, elbows and knees. Yes, you're right about fighting, I'd go for leg kicks cause everybody covers up face and balls. But a couple of good kicks to the shins or side of lower legs make people drop their guard. Then it's on and I'd lock up and get on the guys body as close as I could to grab on and hang on.
Your rule is the code of cowards.
"MMA does not teach how to fight!"
BS.
"First rule of a real fight: Win easily.
More code of the coward. Can you count past one?
#1 Rule of war: Wars are won by cowards who have to win.
Fact: Fools ‘fight’. Winners win.
Decent reply!
When you mentioned the Marine Corps — did you you mean the modified eskrima training?
You are right that the current promoters of the sport are pushing the concept that it is ‘safer’ than others, and the whole protecting assets thing. But what I’m saying, imo, based on how humans work, historically, is that the ‘sport’ will become more violent.
OTH, I respect all the judo and holds development of the Gracie family, and how MMA worked to showcase that work. Still, pro fight marketing tends to kill off its weaker assets, or at least endanger them. That creates a buzz, a risk factor. That’s why I’ve never been a fan of pro fighting in any sport.
There are certain body types that should not be allowed in this sport.
MMA by-and-large IS safer than boxing. But neither is a safe sport, there are obvious risks.
Having your brain twisted ‘round, and/or thrown against the inside of your skull at high speed and pressure tends to cause damage—damage that can’t be identified by current medicine. This is a risk that I wouldn’t take unless I absolutely had to.
The real sad part of this is that he had five children that are now without their Dad.
that's what is so great about our country. I can watch MMA with my son, you can go to baseball games or soccer games with yours. It's just entertainment and not to be confused with real life. I'd suspect that more wars have been started by soccer matches than MMA fights.
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