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To: bvw
I think you don't know the nature of professional MMA or sports in general from your comments.

MMA competitions will become more violent, and more will die.

It's much less "violent" than when it started. There were NO weight classes and "tournaments" were held one fight after another till there was one man standing. So some fighters were so beat up that they couldn't compete the following day/fight. Dana White saw that the future was in "stars" and the ability to have "action". Deaths are BAD for business and bad for the fighters. None of them are "killers" but the good ones have the "killer" instinct since it is a "martial" art.

In football and baseball, the sports become safer. The purpose is not to hurt, to disable you opponent

You're kidding, right? Defensive tackles rolling up on a quarterback's legs blows out knees, safeties are head hunting and everybody that hits a running back may not want to disable him but the sure want to "send him a message to not bring that weak sh#t through the line" as Lawrence Taylor used to say.

You tell me that Ronnie Lott, Jack Tatum and any of the Pittsburgh Steelers like Jack Ham, "Mean" Joe Green cared about scoring. They wanted and did put people out of the game.

Ask Darryl Stingley how an "exhibition game" went for him when he was hit by Jack Tatum. Mike Utley might question how safe football is. Look up the stats for high school and college players paralyzed playing football.

Boxing isn’t as bad, because in boxing hits — and not damage or pain — get scored.

puhleeze. The object is to knock your opponent unconscious for 10 seconds as the ideal. Leaving it to the judges comes in second. That's why they keep stats on "wins by knockouts" as a mark of a great fighter. "fighter".

Plus MMA does not teach how to fight! First rule of a real fight: Win easily.

finally this one. I've been in fights, I've boxed and have been trained in grappling. But every fight I've been involved in has ended up on the deck with elbows, feet, hands, gouges and I've been bitten. The only reason I didn't bite was because I was too busy elbowing.

The Marine Corps has added or modified it's training of hand to hand to incorporate the training and techniques of MMA. So yeah, it does show you how to fight. Cause all "real" fights are messy and usually last 20-30 seconds. Just like a gun fight in "real life" usually over in 5-7 seconds and within 5 feet.

The first rule of real fights is not to fight a opponent who can, will or may be able to fight back. Simple.

unless you have to defend yourself. If I was to get in a fight now, I'd hope to use my brain and leave ASAP. If I had to fight for my life, a gun. If unable to use my gun, a knife. If neither available a club or some object I can hold on to. Finally if it came to it, I'd resort to hands, feet, elbows and knees. Yes, you're right about fighting, I'd go for leg kicks cause everybody covers up face and balls. But a couple of good kicks to the shins or side of lower legs make people drop their guard. Then it's on and I'd lock up and get on the guys body as close as I could to grab on and hang on.

54 posted on 06/29/2010 9:58:21 AM PDT by erman (Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy.)
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To: erman

Decent reply!

When you mentioned the Marine Corps — did you you mean the modified eskrima training?

You are right that the current promoters of the sport are pushing the concept that it is ‘safer’ than others, and the whole protecting assets thing. But what I’m saying, imo, based on how humans work, historically, is that the ‘sport’ will become more violent.

OTH, I respect all the judo and holds development of the Gracie family, and how MMA worked to showcase that work. Still, pro fight marketing tends to kill off its weaker assets, or at least endanger them. That creates a buzz, a risk factor. That’s why I’ve never been a fan of pro fighting in any sport.


58 posted on 06/29/2010 2:07:31 PM PDT by bvw
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