Sure the "result" would have been the same ... but to have the Jews now "worried" about Obama when the majority of them supported him is my "beef." They cannot be complaining about an outcome they "SUPPORTED" to have happened. So they shouldn't be complaining, they should be basking in the result they favored ... or be SCREAMING that they made a terrible mistake! Next time, maybe they will get out of their "rut" (the same one Blacks are in ... voting for Democrats because that's the "home team") ... then they will have a virtuous complaint ... but under the circumstances ... they SUPPORTED the hell we are going through now, I have NO empathy for any person or group who supported Obama. Time for them to "WAKE UP" and start THINKING instead of just singing "TRADITION!" and pulling the Dem lever.
I'm not being anti-Jewish here, I'm being against ANY group that was DUMB ENOUGH to support this abortion of an administration that is TAKING DOWN the USA ... and now they are "complaining"? They have not earned that right! You LOSE your "right" to complain if you support a candidate that is offensive to your way of life. And this wasn't a "secret" ... we all KNEW Obama's position on Israel ... that he was buddies with Hamas, Muslim background, etc. So this should have been a no-brainer, especially for the Jewish population that should be the MOST SENSITIVE group toward this attitude. I'm not Jewish, but high on my list of why NOT to vote for him was protecting Israel ... it is something I PERSONALLY believe we should be doing. And it was obvious that wouldn't happen if Obama was elected. I voted to protect Israel, but 70% of Jews didn't ... and now they complain? Hot air!
1. Not exactly a way to influence voters. You just wrote off 54% of the electorate, Jewish and non-Jewish alike.
Me, I think they are stupid, but welcome their change of heart.
2. Your position assume something that is incorrect. Many of the polls identify persons as Jewish who are not Jewish under Jewish law (e.g., Jewish mother, or valid conversion) or who have totally turned their backs on their religion.
This group has little or no loyalty to Israel. They are secular atheists. To expect them to care about Israel is silly.
3. I share the frustration, but EVERY thread about Israel is immediately infected with versions of “F Israel, the Jews don’t vote for us anyway.”
It’s grating to the conservatives Jewish people (and there are plenty of us on FR)to read this over-and-over , and I ask restraint.
PF, out of either ignorance or malice you are completely ignoring the points that have been made.
This particular group of rabbis and the people they represent are not liberal Democrats and never voted for Obama. It's one thing to rake Jewish liberals over the coals for their long sleep, but your attacks on this particular organization are completely uncalled-for.
Secondly, Israel has nothing whatsoever to do with the issues raised. As a Justice of the Supreme Court Kagan will have absolutely no say on American foreign policy. The problems with Kagan raised by this organization are her domestic radicalism, not Israel. Furthermore (although you don't see the type who will understand this), Charedim are not Zionists. Many of them are in fact hostile to the Israeli government which is after all secular and based on western democracy rather than on Halakhah. Rabbi Levin is not a Zionist. But they still give a very high priority to the safety of fellow Jews in 'Eretz Yisra'el.
I have explained this to you at least three times now. If you persist in ignoring these points I will dismiss you as a bigot with no interest in the issues at all.