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To: patlin

“The founding fathers knew full well that citizenship is through inheritance, not the soil.”


James Madison obviously thought differently but then I’m sure that you are aware of the fact that there were very few issues that some Framers didn’t disagree with other Framers on.

In any event, the 14th Amendment changed the United States from a Jus Sanguinis nation to a Jus Soli nation AND a Jus Sanguinis nation. Nothing can be more clear and precise than “all persons born...”


“It is an established maxim that birth is a criterion of allegiance. Birth, however, derives its force sometimes from place, and sometimes from parentage; but in general place is the most certain criterion; it is what applies in the United States; it will, therefore, be unnecessary to examine any other.”—James Madison


88 posted on 06/22/2010 7:44:04 PM PDT by jamese777
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To: jamese777; Mr Rogers; Las Vegas Ron
ROFL, that lame argument again where you parse & edit only the part of Madison's words to hide the part wherein he tells why Smith was a citizen by birth on the soil.

What you leave out is that part of the discussion that pertained to citizen, not NBC & Madison also further went on to say that “

Mr. Smith founds his claims upon his birthright; his ancestors were among the first settlers of that colony...if he were not a minor, he became bound, by his own act, ... if he was a minor, his consent was involved in the decision of that society to which he belonged by the ties of nature.”

Smith was making his claim that he was a citizen by mere fact of jus soli birthright, however Madison goes on to dispel that claim. Madison further explains farther into his speech on the floor that Smith being a minor at the time of the Declaration of Independence; Smith's citizenship came through his father(ties of nature). The act of Smith's father taking an oath to become a citizen of the new society automatically gave consent for his children by becoming himself a member of the new society.

IOW, according to Madison, birth on soil did NOT automatically make one a citizen, the parents must have been citizens for the child to become one. BWHAHAHAHA....

94 posted on 06/22/2010 8:02:52 PM PDT by patlin (Ignorance is Bliss for those who choose to wear rose colored glasses)
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