The English translation and how the Founders understood the paragraph to mean:
The citizens are the members of the civil society; bound to this society by certain duties, and subject to its authority, they equally participate in its advantages. The natives, or natural-born are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens.
We know the Founders had copies of Vattel's Law of Nations.
It matters not where Obama was born..he is not a natural born citizen.
“It matters not where Obama was born..he is not a natural born citizen.”
This is something I have been saying all along! Just like the illegals who come here and have a kid - their children are NOT citizens, because their parents are NOT citizens!
DUH!!
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The works of Vattel are not the supreme law of the land. The Constitution is very specific what the supreme law of the land is:
The Constitution itself.
All law made under the Constitution.
Treaties confirmed by the Senate.
Under the laws of the the land, Obama is a citizen at birth, otherwise known as a natural born citizen. The argument you make from a French translation of a Latin language political philosophy exercise is worse than weak.
But I guess facts don’t matter to people who just want their point of view to be reality.
There is no doubt about it except for the obtuse Obot-bats who say otherwise with their twisted logic.
They knew, we know, and Obama knows. He is just committed to the destruction of this Republic.
“Neither the wisest constitution nor the wisest laws will secure the liberty and happiness of a people whose manners are universally corrupt. He therefore is the truest friend to the liberty of his country who tries most to promote its virtue, and who, so far as his power and influence extend, will not suffer a man to be chosen into any office of power and trust who is not a wise and virtuous man.” Samuel Adams
“The liberties of our Country, the freedom of our civil constitution are worth defending at all hazards: And it is our duty to defend them against all attacks. We have receiv’d them as a fair Inheritance from our worthy Ancestors: They purchas’d them for us with toil and danger and expense of treasure and blood; and transmitted them to us with care and diligence. It will bring an everlasting mark of infamy on the present generation, enlightened as it is, if we should suffer them to be wrested from us without a struggle; or be cheated out of them by the artifices of false and designing men.” - Samuel Adams
Once again - in your translation, “natural born” is translating “indigenes”, not “naturels”.
The document you discovered translates “sujets naturels” as natural born subjects - which would enforce the idea of common law “natual born subjects”, since otherwise it would translate to “natural subjects”. The ‘born’ comes from the phrase in English common law.
In other words, you’ve shown nothing useful to your case. You have shown that English common law was the source of their thinking...
BINGO!
I myself have posted this, as have others in the past. What gives me SUCH great hope is that you and I am sure others like you are FINDING THE INFORMATION FOR THEMSELVES!!!!!
The truth has been right in front of us, the COLB is a smoke screen and keps people distracted by the idea that because he was allegedly ‘born in Hawaii’ that he is a Natural Born Citizen. He isn’t. From the instant the cretin was CONCEIVED he could NEVER have been a Natural Born Citizen. He could have been born in Jack Kennedy’s favorite chair in the residence of the White House and it would have made no difference.
The Cretin was born British and American, by definition he is of DIVIDED ALLEGIANCES! He should be TRIED FOR TREASON! He should be arrested by Federal Marshal’s and imprisoned. His family should be removed in shame from the White House IMMEDIATELY.
OUR CONSTITUTION DEMANDS ACTION! OUR CONSTITUTION DEMANDS OBAMA BE REMOVED IMMEDIATELY!
We do NOT have a constitutional government at this time, and NO federal law can be enforced as long as the head of the government is an USURPER! The Military does not have a legal CIC!!!! This is a CLEAR AND PRESENT DANGER TO THE UNITED STATES!
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I have been saying this all along, and I am not gonna shut up about it until something is done to alleviate the situation!
Bravo to you sir! God bless you for doing the research and proving it for yourself! Please encourage others to do so as well!
The pack’o’jackals will either not show up, or show up and somehow try to squirm like maggots in **** “proving” that the above does not say, what it clearly says.
This is a great find. It completely destroys the translation argument on Vattel’s Law of Nations and definition of natural born citizenship. I noticed how quickly the faithers went into full deflection mode.
I love how all of a sudden all these Freepers are Vattel scholars. Good grief, get a life. The Constitution says “natural born citizen.” The most straightforward, common-sense reading of that is a citizen by birth, rather than one ‘naturalized’ at a later time.