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To: bushpilot1

“It matters not where Obama was born..he is not a natural born citizen.”

This is something I have been saying all along! Just like the illegals who come here and have a kid - their children are NOT citizens, because their parents are NOT citizens!

DUH!!


2 posted on 06/22/2010 3:52:15 PM PDT by ExTxMarine (Hey Congress: Go Conservative or Go Home!)
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To: ExTxMarine
This is something I have been saying all along! Just like the illegals who come here and have a kid - their children are NOT citizens, because their parents are NOT citizens!

You are mistaken. The fourteenth amendment to the Constitution is very clear. If you are born in the United States, and you are subject to it's laws, you are a citizen by birth of the United States.

The exclusionary clause (and subject to the jurisdiction thereof) is for the cases of diplomats who are not under the U.S. jurisdiction.

If you don't like it, change the Constitution, but that is the law of the land.

6 posted on 06/22/2010 4:31:19 PM PDT by Anitius Severinus Boethius
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To: ExTxMarine

” “It matters not where Obama was born..he is not a natural born citizen.”

This is something I have been saying all along! Just like the illegals who come here and have a kid - their children are NOT citizens, because their parents are NOT citizens!

DUH!!”


You are 100% correct. Our government has been ignoring the Constitution and case law for many years. Why are “Anchor Babies” automatically granted US Citizenship, when our immigration law clearly requires the child to be “subject to the jurisdiction”of the United States?

“Every Person born within the limits of the United States, and subject to their jurisdiction, is by virtue of natural law and national law a citizen of the United States. This will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited to the Government of the United States, but will include every other class of persons.”-Senator Jacob Howard, co-author of the citizenship clause of the 14th Amendment, 1866

Sen. John Bingham, the man recognized as being the father of the 14th Amendment, had this to say on the subject of the jurisdiction clause: ”Every human being born within the jurisdiction of the United States of parents not owing allegiance to any foreign sovereignty is, in the language of your Constitution itself, a natural born citizen.”

In the US Supreme Court case Elk v. Wilkins, 112 U.S. 94 (1884), the Court stated
regarding the phrase, “subject to the jurisdiction”, “The evident meaning of these last words is, not merely subject in some respect or degree to the jurisdiction of the United States, but completely subject to their political jurisdiction, and owing them direct and immediate allegiance.”

In the Slaughterhouse Cases, 83 U.S. 36 (1873), the Court stated, “The phrase, “subject to its jurisdiction” was intended to exclude from its operation children of ministers, consuls, and citizens or subjects of foreign States born within the United States.”


116 posted on 06/23/2010 5:50:15 AM PDT by chatter4
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To: ExTxMarine
This is something I have been saying all along! Just like the illegals who come here and have a kid - their children are NOT citizens, because their parents are NOT citizens!

They could be citizens if their parents were subject to the jurisdiction of the United States. Children of legal permanent resdient aliens, ie. those with green cards, are citizens by that criteria, IMHO. (Courts have disagreed with both of us, since they have the child of a woman who gets 10 yards north of the Rio Grande and has her baby, being a citizen at birth, even if she grabs the baby and runs back accross the river.

But in any event, just being a citizen from birth is not the same as being a Natural Born Citizen. For that, your parents must be citizens, and you must be born in the country ... with some exceptions for the children of diplomats and military abroad in the service of the nation. NBC is the Constitutional eligibility requirement for the office of President.

211 posted on 06/24/2010 3:58:40 PM PDT by El Gato ("The second amendment is the reset button of the US constitution"-Doug McKay)
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