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To: Star Traveler
I really appreciate the link to this book here. Unfortunately I don't see any Biblical doctrines in the description. The closest I see to anything from Scripture is an unexplained reference to Zechariah 12:9.

I guess since no one here is willing to address the original question other than a link to a book, I will go by what is presented in the marketing material.

God's everlasting promise to bless those who bless Israel and curse those who curse Israel is still in effect today. Throughout its history, America has been in a unique position to bless the Jewish people, and has experienced many blessings as a result. In more recent years, however, America has failed to consistently stand by Israel and suffered dramatic disasters.

And this must be connected to the unsubstantiated assertion later..."Gods everlasting promise to bless those who bless Israel and curse those who curse Israel is still in effect today."

So I open up my Scriptures looking for those "blessing" and "cursing" passages. Honestly, the only ones I see that might have any bearing are in Genesis 12:3 where God make a covenant with Abram, and later where Abram extends this to His son Isaac in 27:29. Now the promise is made to Abram by God, and in a culture that passes on blessings and cursings as part of a ritual, Abraham passes the torch to Isaac. In each case the language is pretty clear that the blessings and cursings are individually directed. That is, if one offends Abraham, then that person is cursed. Dittos with the sentiment being passed on to Isaac. It would take gratuitous eisegesis to extend this magic talisman to a secular nation and have the effects apply to whole nations, and I'm afraid William Koenig makes this fallacy a foundational part of his premise.

But lets pretend that we don't really care about proper hermeneutics and thousands of years of orthodox understanding of this covenant, and just believe that a magic spell exists over this secular nation that was destroyed by God and scattered throughout the world in 70AD.

The primary arguments of this book, when isolated from history and thousands of years of contradictory evidence look compelling and I can see how it can easily persuade the naive and gullible. I mean, I don't have a calendar handy, but did we diss Israel when Hurricane Gilbert crashed into Galveston? The Chicago or San Francisco Fire? Heck, what did we do to Israel to merit our involvements in WWI and WWII?

Honestly, this looks like good old fashioned America bashing. It is a cultural psychological sickness that has been going on for a generation or so and I find it depressing to see an increase of Evangelicals willing to join the usual cadre of Progressives, Marxists and other malcontents in fantasies of America and Americans being punished. I mean, the US is Israel's only friend on the planet, yet Europe, China, Russia and every other place on Earth can orchestrate all kinds of horrific charges and plans against Israel, but for some odd reason, God hasn't chosen these largely corrupt, God hating nations for specific catastrophies.

Seriously, if the US is such a bad guy, why do the Muslims target this nation and label it as the "Great Satan" specifically because of our strong relationship with the nation of Israel? We must be doing something right.

But let us return to Genesis 12:3. Doesn't the covenant also include the very important statement "and in you all the nations of the earth shall be blessed". Notice the language, the blessings and cursings are individual when a person curses Abraham or blesses Abraham. And when we read the Genesis narrative, we see this fact play out. But when we get to the last part, the part that always seems to be deleted from these America basher's proof-texts, it says that the nations would be blessed. And in Jesus Christ, as predicted by the Prophet Joel, all nations, did indeed become blessed by the Death and Resurrection of our LORD Jesus Christ as the Gentiles have been grafted in to the tree of the true Israel.

I seriously hope you don't plan on playing the Deuteronomy 30 card. Rather I would still love to see this alleged doctrine, and I would like to see even the slightest bit of evidence that this magic spell still exists over the secular nation of Israel.

128 posted on 06/15/2010 10:17:28 PM PDT by The Theophilus
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To: The Theophilus; CORedneck; Quix; TaraP
You were saying ...

I mean, the US is Israel's only friend on the planet, yet Europe, China, Russia and every other place on Earth can orchestrate all kinds of horrific charges and plans against Israel, but for some odd reason, God hasn't chosen these largely corrupt, God hating nations for specific catastrophies.

I'll look up some other reference for you in regards to what you were saying ... as there is much out there about it. This is "standard" Evangelical fare and nothing unusual... so I wouldn't look at this as "off-the-wall" or anything like that. You personally may think so, but it's not so in Evangelical circles.

And as far as the support Israel has from the U.S. -- well, that will be disappearingin the coming months and years, depending on how long it is before the 7-year Tribulation starts, at which time the Antichrist is revealed and the 7-year peace agreement/treaty (or enforced treaty, however you want to present it) is done.

Israel will stand alone, with all the nations of the world against her and that will include the United States, too. And the United States will be judged just like all the other nations in the world.

You can see the U.S. moving away from supporting Israel and since the Oslo Accords, the U.S. has put pressure on Israel to "divide the land" which goes totally against what God says about that, and God says some very harsh things about those who try to divide the land of Israel -- which the U.S. is engaged in right now.

130 posted on 06/15/2010 10:31:23 PM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: The Theophilus

Very good comment and response. Just what I was suggesting would be appropriate.


164 posted on 06/16/2010 6:32:45 AM PDT by BelegStrongbow (Ey, Paolo! uh-Clem just broke the Presideng...)
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