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To: unseen1
When Sarah speaks of good things, I think she does a good job. But when Sarah backs bad people, she undercuts the party, Conservatism, and our efforts to turn things around. Sarah is pretty much a mixed bag right now.

Devore couldn't win in Ca.  We'll never know.  If Palin had backed him, and he lost, you could say DeVore couldn't win.

Palin now has a voice in Carly's campaign and she has a favor form her in her pocket.  And you couldn't make it more clear what the goal was.  A favor owed to Palin trumps backing someone who will be sound on policy   "As long as I round up support, it doesn't really matter who I am backing..., who I am putting into a position of power, even if they are Leftists."

If carly wins she will help Palin pass her agenda if Palin takes the whitehouse. even if Palin stays out of the race Carly still will owe her thus the conservative agenda.  What favors from McCain did Palin win by doing him the favor of running with him?  She got name recognition, but now she has to sell her Conservative soul to back a man who would do this.  And so I cannot state that Palin is truly Conservative, because that couldn't be supported any longer.  She is backing a Ted Kennedy Conservative.  She is also backing a John Kerry Conservative.  She is backing a George Soros Conservative.  She is backing a Terresa Heinz Kerry Conservative.  She is also backing a Tides Foundation Conservative.  We could go on and on.  It's all in the documentation I've made available and linked above.

Backing Devore would have got Palin and the conservative agenda nothing.  It would have telegraphed that Palin was a walk the walk Conservative.  Evidently that means nothing to you.  It obsiously doesn't to her right now.

Palin advanced the conservative agenda by backing and helping Carly win the nomination.   Palin may have advanced her own agenda, but she did not advance the Conservative agenda by backing Leftist Fiorina to win.

McCain's endorsement has always been more about loyalty than anything else.  So loyalty to evil is a great thing in your book?  Obviously yes.  I know of one Ted Kennedy Conservative that thanks you for that.

Still if McCian wins he will owe Palin.  Rather than take a pass on hurting Palin's chances to be elected president, John McCain got her to back him to return to the U. S. Senate.  Yep, he really shows that he owes her big-time doesn't he.  After she ran with him, his own staff belittled her, and he didn't come to her defense.  He also made a very derogatory comment with her as the butt of it.  This man doesn't show loyalty to the nation or his party.  And yet you come on here to argue fuzzy logic, that he's going to owe her.  That's just silly.

If he doesn't I'm sure Palin will back JD in the general.  The August vote is a primary.  McCain or Hayworth will be on the ballot in November.  Not both!  You didn't know this? Whew!

she has talked up McCain so far not talked down JD from everything I have seen.  He has shown no loyalty whatsoever to Palin up to this point.  And yet she is bending to his will, backing him even though his performance in the U. S. Senate is a shameful as anyone's in Republican history.  And backing McCain is a massive put-down to a solid Reagan Conservative, whether you can grasp it or not.

the only way to advance the conservative agenda at the national level is to elect conservative leadership.  And getting McCain elected again over J. D. Hayworth is 180 degress oposite of this.  He is Ted Kennedy with an (R) behind his name.

 the foot soldiers will follow the leadership. And if McCain gets back to the Senate, he will be one of it's senior leaders.

You want to concentrate on the foot soldiers and tear down the leadership. I think that is a failed effort.  If this argument were powerful, then you would want John Kerry or any other lefty with seniority over a first term Conservative.  If that doesn't fly, why would you want someone that introduces F'd up bills with John Kerry, Ted Kennedy, Russel Feingold, Joe Lieberman and others?  Give me one solid Reagan Conservative, over all the Ted Kennedy Conservatives at the helm.  They stear the ship into dangerous waters.

I have to laugh at your suggestion that Palin would follow anyone's orders if she was in the WH. She is her own woman and takes her own consul.  And backs Leftists for office.  Tell me, what favor did she owe Carly Fiorina sparky?  What favor did she owe the leftist back East that she supported?  And loyalty?  She owes more loyalty to John McCain than the nation?  She owes him more than she owes the Citizens who will be subject to his future deals with the worst the Left has to offer at our expense?

I will repeat for the 100th time that the battle between McCain and JD is in my I DO NOT CARE box.  Please, by all means, drive that point home 10,000 times, I beg you.  Despite reading this, you still cling to the idea John McCain is good for the U. S. A., in the Senate.  I want people to know that.

whoever wins will be better than the Democrat.  Precisely.  That's exactly what you think.  As long as someone has an (R) after their name, you'll buy in.  There are plenty of Democrats in this nation that would be better for the United States than John McCain.  He has alligned himself with the worst of the worst  in the Democrat party.  Not everyone over there is a Ted Kennedy, a John Kerry.  And yet those are the people John McCain chummed it up with.  He also has a great deal of respect for Hillary Clinton.  He also said the nation had nothing to fear from an Obama presidency.  He has also said he admires the Democrats and their fine goals.  What part of this do you not get?  Anyone would be better than that Democrat?  What if it's another Democrat with an (R) after his name, specifically John McCain?

I just understand there isn't much difference between the two.  I have asked you repeatedly to list the things Hayworth has done that would compare to John McCain.  You have consistantly resisted doing it.

there are many votes Jd made that enabled the growth of government under Bush. JD voted with Bush and his big government agenda the majority of time. Same as McCain. You will not change Washington by voting for the people that were part of the problem I wish there was a third choice in the election. There isn't.  You have smeared J. D. here, but you haven't given one specific instance of something J. D. actually did.  Then you drifted off into some rah rah election blather that a nine year old child would see through.  You've got nothin!  You're an ignorant blow-hard.  You want John McCain, and damn what he is and has always been, you want him and rationality is not going to stand in your way.  John McCain is a turn-coat to our cause.  And so are you.

Palin's endorsement of McCain was a matter of loyalty and a political calculation on who would help her push her conservative agenda more when in office.  As I reminded you the other day, John McCain wasn't loyal to Reagan, Bush1 or Bush2.  And when he did disagree with them, it was on Leftist principle, not Conservative principle.  And as long as you continue to try to mislead people on this matter, I will continue to shove the facts in your face..

thinking any other tin foil hat reasons is stupid.  I don't have to come up with a reason.  There is no rhyme or reason to it.  You're either a Conservative or you're not.  You're either able to support a Ted Kennedy type for office or you're not.  Sarah has shown that she is able to.  I don't need to say anything more than that.

If you want the conservative agenda to pass at the national level attacking the only conservative talking conservative ideas and policy at the national level is not the way to get it passed.  So far you have taken a great deal of time to support John McCain's return to Washington, D.C. to serve in the U. S. Senate for another six years.  Then you lecture me on Conservative ideals and who is the best person to get that agenda passed.

For damn sure it isn't a man who could do this.  And I don't think it's anyone who could back him in any way shape or form.

It probably is a man like J. D. Hayworth, who despite being compared to McCain in terms of him being no different, still has no list of specific things he has done to imply otherwise.

You are wasting both of our time.  You're getting nowhere, and you're coming off as a complete ass.  I can't stop you.  And I know you're killing those you say you supprot, so keep it up if you like.

474 posted on 06/14/2010 1:09:09 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (J. D. Hayworth, the next Senator, the Great State of Arizona - Sen. Poopdeck, Panama is calling...)
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To: DoughtyOne
LOL....

So you admit the only way devore could have won in deep blue Ca is a Palin endorsement. I'm surprised you give her that much power. Personally I think Palin has power but I don't think Palin was the only reason Carly won. It helped alot but the 2 million ad buy also helped and that was something Devore never had.

Palin endorsed Carly because unlike you Palin does not tilt at windmills. Palin understood devore had no chance even with her endorsement. he ran a terrible campaign and lost by 40pts I doubt if Reagan came back from the grave and endorsed Devore he could have won

475 posted on 06/14/2010 4:19:18 PM PDT by unseen1
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