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Still seeking an explanation for Obama's SSN 042-68-4425
Sonoran News ^ | June 2, 2010 | LINDA BENTLEY

Posted on 06/03/2010 11:38:56 AM PDT by Smokeyblue

WASHINGTON – According to the Social Security Administration (SSA), the first three digits of every Social Security number (SSN) indicates the state in which the person resides. Only one number may be issued to any given person, even in the event of identity theft, and numbers are never “recycled” after a person dies.

The instructions accompanying the application to apply for an original SSN, apply for a replacement card, and change or correct information on a SSN record are riddled with the term “you must.”

The instructions begin by stating, “IMPORTANT: You MUST provide a properly completed application and the required evidence before we can process your application. We can only accept original documents or documents certified by the custodian of the original record. Notarized copies or photocopies which have not been certified by the custodian of the records are not acceptable.”

It goes on to state, “To apply for an original card, you must provide at least two documents to prove age, identity, and U.S. citizenship or current lawful, work-authorized immigration status. If you are not a U.S. citizen and do not have DHS work authorization, you must prove you have a valid non-work reason for requesting a card.”

It specifically points out, “If you are 12 or older and have never received a SSN, you must apply in person.”

In January 2005, President Bush signed Public Law 108-458, the Intelligence Reform and Terrorism Prevention Act of 2004, which required the Secretary of Health and Human Services, in consultation with the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) and the Commissioner of Social Security and others, “to promulgate regulation establishing minimum standards for birth certificates,” which, among other things, mandated a requirement for proof and verification of identity as a condition of issuance of a birth certificate.

Public Law 108-458 limited the number of replacement SSN cards issued to any individual to three per year and 10 for the life of the individual, while establishing minimum standards for the verification of documents or records submitted by an individual to establish eligibility for an original or replacement SSN card, other than for enumeration at birth (EAB).

The Commissioner of Social Security was required to add death indicators to the SSN verification systems used by employers and state agencies issuing driver’s licenses and identity cards and allowed the commissioner discretion to add death indicators to other verification routines “as determined appropriate.”

The commissioner was also required to add fraud indicators to the SSN verification systems and make improvements to the EAB application process so as to “prevent the assignment of SSNs to unnamed children, the issuance of more than one SSN to the same child, and other opportunities for fraudulently obtaining a SSN.”

Additionally, the law prohibited federal, state and local governments from displaying SSNs on drivers’ licenses, motor vehicle registrations or other identification documents issued by state departments of motor vehicles.

SSN applicants must provide a birth certificate for evidence of age and, as proof of identity, a U.S. driver’s license, a U.S. state-issued non-driver identity card, or a U.S. passport.

The instructions state, “If you are not a U.S. citizen, we must see your current U.S. immigration document(s) and your foreign passport with biographical information or photograph.”

In all caps it emphasizes, “We cannot accept a birth certificate, hospital souvenir birth certificate, social security card stub or social security record” as evidence of identity.

For evidence of immigration status, applicants must provide a current unexpired document issued by the DHS. If an international student or exchange visitor, additional documents may be required.

It states, “If you are not authorized to work in the U.S., we can issue you a Social Security card only if you need the number for a valid non-work reason. Your card will be marked to show you cannot work and if you do work, we will notify DHS.”

Sonoran News contacted a congressional aide to ask if elected representatives, upon being elected and placed on the U.S. taxpayer-funded payroll, were required to fill out Form I-9, Employment Eligibility Verification.

The instructions accompanying Form I-9 provide answers about the purpose of the form and when it should be used.

According to those instructions, “All employees (citizens and noncitizens) hired after November 6, 1986, and working in the United States must complete Form I-9.”

No exceptions are noted.

After contacting Member Services for the U.S. House of Representatives, the aide said she was told members are not required to fill out a Form I-9.

She was told the reason the House does not require a Form I-9 from its members is because the Constitution requires anyone who runs for a seat in the House to be a U.S. citizen for a minimum of seven years. And, when a person runs for office, they must file proof with their state’s election office that they meet the requirements of the office.

However that does not appear to be the case. If it were, Roger Calero, a Nicaraguan national and convicted felon, wouldn’t have been able to appear on the ballot as the Socialist Worker's Party candidate for president of the United States in numerous states. No one appears to be responsible for certifying, under penalty of perjury, that he has examined one document from List A or one each from List B and C, and that the documents presented appear genuine and relate to the candidate, who simply signs a document swearing to be eligible.

There is no apparent law or written policy that exempts members of Congress or other elected officials on taxpayer-funded payrolls from filling out a Form I-9.

Sonoran News continues to seek answers regarding Obama’s fraudulent use of another person’s SSN, the use of which has been cemented in with his fraudulently created Selective Service registration.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: birthcertificate; birthers; certifigate; connecticut; criminals; fraud; identitytheft; naturalborncitizen; nojustice; obama; obamafraud; socialsecurity
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To: curiosity

“I don’t believe that website is accurate regarding the year of issuance.

I put in the first five digits of my SSN, and it said it was issued four years later than it actually was.

Was it accurate for yours?”

It was accurate for mine.


81 posted on 06/04/2010 1:43:48 PM PDT by WKUHilltopper (Fix bayonets!)
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To: curiosity

Of course!


82 posted on 06/04/2010 7:51:18 PM PDT by Josephat
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To: curiosity

Of course!


83 posted on 06/04/2010 7:54:40 PM PDT by Josephat
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To: WKUHilltopper
Here is some indirect proof that his number was issued between 1976-1977. The average person back in those days didn't get their number until they were 15 or 16 - for their first job. This is for the number preceding Obamas from the SSN Death Index:

Thomas WOOD

042-68-4424

born 15 Jul 1962

died Jul 1981

Residence Newington Hartford CT 06111

State Issued CT

As you can see, he was born in 1962. So at age 15 it would have been issued in 1977.

84 posted on 06/04/2010 8:00:24 PM PDT by TheCipher
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To: TheCipher

Yeah, but no one really knows what nationality he was living in Hawaii under. Supposedly he was living at his grandparents’ as an American, but that hasn’t been substantiated. He could have been boarding in dorms at Punahou as a foreign Indonesian student.


85 posted on 06/05/2010 1:41:54 AM PDT by Plummz (pro-constitution, anti-corruption)
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To: Plummz

In that case, he would still have either applied at his local office or through the Baltimore office ,using his local address as the mailing address- resulting in it being issued from Hawaii. Neither would result in a number being issued from Conn.


86 posted on 06/05/2010 2:14:47 AM PDT by TheCipher
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To: Smokeyblue

Original 1890 born owner of SSN , is who??


87 posted on 06/05/2010 6:43:42 AM PDT by urtax$@work (The best kind of memorial is a Burning Memorial.........)
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To: okie01; LucyT
http://www.the-peoples-forum.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=17392

3. 042-68-4425 was originally assigned to an individual born in 1890, which makes him 120 years old. It appears this individual applied for the benefits when he was older and retired, and needed some Medicaire or Medicaid benefits. Mr. Obama is not 120 years old.

So can this person's family be located in Conn.?

88 posted on 06/05/2010 7:10:34 AM PDT by urtax$@work (The best kind of memorial is a Burning Memorial.........)
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To: TheCipher; edge919

How do you know his “permanent address” wasn’t in Indonesia at the time? Isn’t that where he was most summers & winter breaks when he wasn’t a student at Punahou?

How do you know the only office for processing such applications was in Baltimore ? Do you have documents from the SSA dating to 1976-77 to back that up?


89 posted on 06/05/2010 2:16:46 PM PDT by Plummz (pro-constitution, anti-corruption)
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To: Plummz; edge919
How do you know his “permanent address” wasn’t in Indonesia at the time? Isn’t that where he was most summers & winter breaks when he wasn’t a student at Punahou?

No, he came back to the US in 1971 and didn't return ( though he may have gone there on his college trip ). It is not the "permanent address" that determines from where the card is issued. It is the mailing address. Even if he had a permanent address in Indonesia, does it make any sense to have your card sent there instead of having it mailed to where you are living ?

How do you know the only office for processing such applications was in Baltimore ? Do you have documents from the SSA dating to 1976-77 to back that up?

From Social Security website:

Since 1972, when SSA began assigning SSNs and issuing cards centrally from Baltimore, the area number assigned has been based on the ZIP code in the mailing address provided on the application for the original Social Security card.

90 posted on 06/05/2010 9:14:25 PM PDT by TheCipher
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To: TheCipher

Well, I’ve also read that he visited his mother in Indonesia some summers growing up. And that would have been his permanent address, since that’s where his parents lived.

If there was actually an Indonesian refugee office in Connecticut processing apps for foreigners, as another poster asserted; that’s the address that would have been on the paperwork that was sent to Baltimore.


91 posted on 06/06/2010 11:50:22 AM PDT by Plummz (pro-constitution, anti-corruption)
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To: TheCipher

That’s an interesting site. It confirms that SSN 042-68-4425 was issued for CT during years 1976-1977.

However, the site points to another site, Structure of Social Security Numbers, which states the following:

“Area numbers assigned prior to 1972 are an indication of the location of the SSA office which originally issued the SSN. Since 1972 SSNs have been issued centrally and the area number in SSNs assigned since 1972 corresponds
to the residence location of the applicant as indicated on the application for the SSN.”
http://w2.eff.org/Privacy/ID_SSN_fingerprinting/ssn_structure.article

Thus, for a number issued in 1976-77, the area number (042) should have denoted the STATE OF RESIDENCE for the applicant.


92 posted on 06/06/2010 2:44:39 PM PDT by DrC
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To: DrC
However, the site points to another site, Structure of Social Security Numbers, which states the following:

“Area numbers assigned prior to 1972 are an indication of the location of the SSA office which originally issued the SSN. Since 1972 SSNs have been issued centrally and the area number in SSNs assigned since 1972 corresponds to the residence location of the applicant as indicated on the application for the SSN.” http://w2.eff.org/Privacy/ID_SSN_fingerprinting/ssn_structure.article

Thus, for a number issued in 1976-77, the area number (042) should have denoted the STATE OF RESIDENCE for the applicant.

I don't know if that site is intentionally misleading people, but they are WRONG. Here is what is on the SOCIAL SECURITY SITE :

Since 1972, when SSA began assigning SSNs and issuing cards centrally from Baltimore, the area number assigned has been based on the ZIP code in the mailing address provided on the application for the original Social Security card. The applicant's mailing address does not have to be the same as their place of residence. Thus, the Area Number does not necessarily represent the State of residence of the applicant, either prior to 1972 or since

Your statement:

"Thus, for a number issued in 1976-77, the area number (042) should have denoted the STATE OF RESIDENCE for the applicant."

is clearly wrong. The area number denotes the MAILING ADDRESS NOT the STATE OF RESIDENCE

Link To Social Security site

93 posted on 06/06/2010 10:20:07 PM PDT by TheCipher
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To: Plummz
"Well, I’ve also read that he visited his mother in Indonesia some summers growing up. And that would have been his permanent address, since that’s where his parents lived."

Why would he do that? There would be nobody to visit. His parents didn't live there. His mother moved back to Hawaii in 1972

In 1971, Obama returned to Honolulu to live with his maternal grandparents, Madelyn and Stanley Armour Dunham, and attended Punahou School, a private college preparatory school, from the fifth grade until his graduation from high school in 1979.[19] Obama's mother returned to Hawaii in 1972, remaining there until 1977 when she went back to Indonesia to work as an anthropological field worker. She finally returned to Hawaii in 1994 and lived there for one year, before dying of ovarian cancer.

Bio

94 posted on 06/06/2010 10:29:29 PM PDT by TheCipher
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To: TheCipher

Stanley Anne’s wiki (NYTimes) has her back in Indonesia full-time by 1975. The SSN was issued in 1976-77.

(Not to imply she ever changed her & her son’s permanent address from her husband’s in Indonesia when she started grad school in Hawaii before that.)


95 posted on 06/06/2010 11:40:42 PM PDT by Plummz (pro-constitution, anti-corruption)
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To: TheCipher

That’s a good argument that someone in Connecticut filed & mailed the application.


96 posted on 06/06/2010 11:43:03 PM PDT by Plummz (pro-constitution, anti-corruption)
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To: Plummz
But in order for that to happen, it would have to have been through an Indonesian refugee office in Connecticut ( which I have not seen existed ). However, in order to apply for refugee status,he would have to fall under the definition of a refugee.

Under United States law a refugee is an individual who:

* Is located outside of the United States

* Is of special humanitarian concern to the United States

* Demonstrates that they were persecuted or fear persecution due to race, religion, nationality, political opinion, or membership in a particular social group

Is not firmly resettled in another country

* Is admissible to the United States

Pretty hard for him to claim refugee status in 1976 when he had been living in the US for 5 years. So the "applying for refugee" status through a Conn based refugee office doesn't hold up. He didn't qualify under US law.

97 posted on 06/07/2010 2:28:30 AM PDT by TheCipher
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To: Smokeyblue

I think you are putting too much faith in decoding the SSN to identify the State. My SSN says it was issued in WA when I was in fact born in MD.


98 posted on 06/07/2010 5:15:24 AM PDT by dinodino
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To: Plummz
That’s a good argument that someone in Connecticut filed & mailed the application.

Or he is using a SS number issued to someone from Conn.

99 posted on 06/07/2010 6:26:36 AM PDT by TheCipher
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To: TheCipher

You’re assuming his mother was honest about any of that; or that “legally qualified” means anything to the Dunham clan when it comes to identification paperwork.

That assumption just doesn’t hold up.


100 posted on 06/07/2010 12:14:09 PM PDT by Plummz (pro-constitution, anti-corruption)
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