Posted on 06/03/2010 11:38:56 AM PDT by Smokeyblue
WASHINGTON – According to the Social Security Administration (SSA), the first three digits of every Social Security number (SSN) indicates the state in which the person resides. Only one number may be issued to any given person, even in the event of identity theft, and numbers are never “recycled” after a person dies.
The instructions accompanying the application to apply for an original SSN, apply for a replacement card, and change or correct information on a SSN record are riddled with the term “you must.”
The instructions begin by stating, “IMPORTANT: You MUST provide a properly completed application and the required evidence before we can process your application. We can only accept original documents or documents certified by the custodian of the original record. Notarized copies or photocopies which have not been certified by the custodian of the records are not acceptable.”
It goes on to state, “To apply for an original card, you must provide at least two documents to prove age, identity, and U.S. citizenship or current lawful, work-authorized immigration status. If you are not a U.S. citizen and do not have DHS work authorization, you must prove you have a valid non-work reason for requesting a card.”
It specifically points out, “If you are 12 or older and have never received a SSN, you must apply in person.”
In January 2005, President Bush signed Public Law 108-458, the Intelligence Reform and Terrorism Prevention Act of 2004, which required the Secretary of Health and Human Services, in consultation with the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) and the Commissioner of Social Security and others, “to promulgate regulation establishing minimum standards for birth certificates,” which, among other things, mandated a requirement for proof and verification of identity as a condition of issuance of a birth certificate.
Public Law 108-458 limited the number of replacement SSN cards issued to any individual to three per year and 10 for the life of the individual, while establishing minimum standards for the verification of documents or records submitted by an individual to establish eligibility for an original or replacement SSN card, other than for enumeration at birth (EAB).
The Commissioner of Social Security was required to add death indicators to the SSN verification systems used by employers and state agencies issuing driver’s licenses and identity cards and allowed the commissioner discretion to add death indicators to other verification routines “as determined appropriate.”
The commissioner was also required to add fraud indicators to the SSN verification systems and make improvements to the EAB application process so as to “prevent the assignment of SSNs to unnamed children, the issuance of more than one SSN to the same child, and other opportunities for fraudulently obtaining a SSN.”
Additionally, the law prohibited federal, state and local governments from displaying SSNs on drivers’ licenses, motor vehicle registrations or other identification documents issued by state departments of motor vehicles.
SSN applicants must provide a birth certificate for evidence of age and, as proof of identity, a U.S. driver’s license, a U.S. state-issued non-driver identity card, or a U.S. passport.
The instructions state, “If you are not a U.S. citizen, we must see your current U.S. immigration document(s) and your foreign passport with biographical information or photograph.”
In all caps it emphasizes, “We cannot accept a birth certificate, hospital souvenir birth certificate, social security card stub or social security record” as evidence of identity.
For evidence of immigration status, applicants must provide a current unexpired document issued by the DHS. If an international student or exchange visitor, additional documents may be required.
It states, “If you are not authorized to work in the U.S., we can issue you a Social Security card only if you need the number for a valid non-work reason. Your card will be marked to show you cannot work and if you do work, we will notify DHS.”
Sonoran News contacted a congressional aide to ask if elected representatives, upon being elected and placed on the U.S. taxpayer-funded payroll, were required to fill out Form I-9, Employment Eligibility Verification.
The instructions accompanying Form I-9 provide answers about the purpose of the form and when it should be used.
According to those instructions, “All employees (citizens and noncitizens) hired after November 6, 1986, and working in the United States must complete Form I-9.”
No exceptions are noted.
After contacting Member Services for the U.S. House of Representatives, the aide said she was told members are not required to fill out a Form I-9.
She was told the reason the House does not require a Form I-9 from its members is because the Constitution requires anyone who runs for a seat in the House to be a U.S. citizen for a minimum of seven years. And, when a person runs for office, they must file proof with their state’s election office that they meet the requirements of the office.
However that does not appear to be the case. If it were, Roger Calero, a Nicaraguan national and convicted felon, wouldn’t have been able to appear on the ballot as the Socialist Worker's Party candidate for president of the United States in numerous states. No one appears to be responsible for certifying, under penalty of perjury, that he has examined one document from List A or one each from List B and C, and that the documents presented appear genuine and relate to the candidate, who simply signs a document swearing to be eligible.
There is no apparent law or written policy that exempts members of Congress or other elected officials on taxpayer-funded payrolls from filling out a Form I-9.
Sonoran News continues to seek answers regarding Obama’s fraudulent use of another person’s SSN, the use of which has been cemented in with his fraudulently created Selective Service registration.
The first part is that he has to be located outside of the United States. So in order to apply for refugee status, he would have had to have applied at the US Consulate in Jakarta. His application would go through an initial review, and when there are a sufficient number of people waiting for interviews, the INS is notified. The agency then sends personnel, known as “circuit riders,” to the consulates where the interviews will be conducted. After passing the interview portion, the applicant is required to take a medical examination. He also has to obtain a sponsor. When all the paperwork is complete, it is sent to INS for review. He is then put on a list. Mind you all of this would have had to have taken place within a period of 2 months ( he was back in school in Hawaii in September ). There is no way that amount of paperwork ( especially back in the mid 70’s before the onslaught of PC’s ) could have been completed in 2 months.
It doesn’t matter what his mother said. He had to prove his immigration status to the INS. The only way for him to do that would be to show his passport. That would have shown the embarkation stamp of his arriving in Indonesia from the US. So he couldn’t claim he was not firmly resettled in another country. Then you have the major part that has to be proven in order to be granted refugee status. He had to demonstrate that he was persecuted or had fear persecution due to race, religion, nationality, political opinion, or membership in a particular social group.
Pretty hard to claim that when you just arrived in the country. If he had that fear, it wouldn’t make any sense for him to fly back to Indonesia.
I agree with you that you can’t trust anything with the Dunhams about identification. Considering Grandma Toots was the VP of the largest bank in Hawaii and the friends that hung around - Frank Marshall Davis for one - it would not be too hard for them to acquire a dormant SS number. I think you are grasping at straws over this “refugee” theory. It just doesn’t hold up - both in the practical sense and legally. I wish it did, since that would show he was naturalized.
Frankly, I just thought it was an interesting idea and I’m prodding along to debate so it can be hashed out. I’m not really committed either way to the idea.
Where are you getting your information about those INS regulations from? Couldn’t Stanley Anne have had a friend in the State Department expedite & rubberstamp those sorts of matters?
It wouldn't be the State Department that handled requests, it would be the INS. Though it would be very coincidental that she would know someone who handled those matters. Even if it was expedited, it could not be done within a 2 month limit. Back in the mid 70's it took 30-45 days to get a visa issued ( and that is for a spouse married to a US citizen ). For refugees, there were only a certain number admitted each year from different regions of the world. There was still a backlog of Vietnamese refugee applicants waiting to get accepted. Indonesia would have fallen under the same region. I doubt Barry would have been put to the top of the list. Plus you have to get over the hurdle of proving he was persecuted. Like I said before, hard to prove that when you are flying back into the country you are claiming persecution and fear of life from. Also it would be more ridiculous for Stanley Anne to claim that, seeing as if it were in 1977, both she and her husband were living there and her husband wasn't claiming political persecution. The current INS procedures are here:
Of course all of these were not in place in the 70's ( biometric for example , but the main procedures were - submission at consulate , interview, physical. The "circuit riders" were in effect back then. I had a friend from college whose job was just that - although in South America ( he was stationed in Brazil ). He'd travel the circuit every couple of months. ( It is the same for IRS officers. They come to the consulates a few times a year for American citizens services ). So it is very unlikely that Barry could get all the paperwork done - even if he had false documents ( a separate passport, claims of political persecution ( though that is stretching it ) within a 2 month time frame.
As I recall, it was true for me and I was born in 1962.
Where were you living when you applied for you SS? Washington?
Nope, never lived in Washington at all.
Interesting, about when did you get your SS and do you remember where you applied for it or did you get it as an infant by way of your parents? Where were you living and are you sure it is supposed to be from
Washington? first three digits 531-539 WA.
Thanks you have got me curious as I have used the numbers as a check many times. Mine is not from where I was born but where I applied for it when I was 15 for my first over the table job.
http://www.socialsecurity.gov/employer/stateweb.htm
I didn’t apply for it myself, my parents did. It was forty years ago.
Are you sure your parents aren't misremembering when they actually applied for the number? I was born in October 1970, and my SSN was issued in 1971, since that's when my parents got around to sending in the paperwork.
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