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MLB deciding whether to review call
sports.espn.go.com ^ | 6/3/10 | u7nknown

Posted on 06/03/2010 8:49:00 AM PDT by ICAB9USA

NEW YORK -- Major League Baseball was still deciding Thursday morning whether to review the umpire's blown call that cost Detroit Tigers pitcher Armando Galarraga a perfect game.

Commissioner Bud Selig has the power to reverse umpire Jim Joyce's missed call that came with two outs in the ninth inning Wednesday night in Detroit. Joyce ruled Cleveland's Jason Donald safe, then admitted he got it wrong.

Selig would likely consult with his top advisers before making such a ruling. St. Louis Cardinals manager Tony La Russa says the call should be overturned.

Joyce was scheduled to be back at work Thursday afternoon, umpiring at home plate in the game between the Tigers and Indians.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; US: Michigan
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To: Jeff Chandler
If they reverse an umpire’s call after the game, then baseball as we know it is dead.

No more so than instituting video review of homerun calls, or in hockey, the video review of goals, or the (limited by rule) video reviews in football. It's about getting it right when it matters, and keeping such reviews very selective and rare. The blown call at first base last night matters, because it is a horrible black eye for baseball if it is left to stand. I suspect that nobody in the world wants that call reversed more than the umpire who blew it.

61 posted on 06/03/2010 9:11:16 AM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: magritte
I’m just saying, just because it’s the last batter really doesn’t make any difference...a blown call is just as blown in the 1st inning as the last...when you start “Fixing” games, there’s really no rationale to stop at “the last batter”...magritte

I disagree. I think there is a rationale. If the call is blown early in the game, and the game continues, you just have to eat the blown call. Baseball happened after the call and you can't start redoing everything after.

Nothing, or as close to nothing as possible, happened after this call. You negate only a hit awarded in error and one uneventful at bat that the hitter won't mind being negated.

It should not be a precendent setting decision. This was a unique situation that is easily correctable. It's a far easier correction than the George Brett decision, which required that the teams get back together and play the game some more.

62 posted on 06/03/2010 9:11:26 AM PDT by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: 1rudeboy

Most calls are not in question. It would be used sparingly.


63 posted on 06/03/2010 9:12:27 AM PDT by Retired Greyhound
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To: ICAB9USA

Technically, the game was over when the first baseman caught the ball with his foot on the bag. There is no replay or anything else - THE GAME WAS OVER!


64 posted on 06/03/2010 9:12:53 AM PDT by BillM
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To: BushCountry

You are blurring the line between reasonable and unreasonable.


65 posted on 06/03/2010 9:13:28 AM PDT by Retired Greyhound
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To: Retired Greyhound
How exactly would instant replay on safe/out fair/foul calls ruin the game?

As long as it isn't overused and leave the home plate ump's calls alone. I don't think there will be endless calls to go to replay. The umpires are the only ones who can call for a review as it is and they're actually quite rare now. Last season the Tigers actually had two instant replay calls in one game.
66 posted on 06/03/2010 9:13:54 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: SeaHawkFan

yes


67 posted on 06/03/2010 9:14:12 AM PDT by ICAB9USA (I lost part of my middle finger .......... it almost rendered me mute. -- Rahm Emanuel)
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To: BushCountry
I'm shuddering even thinking about it.

:"The play is under review."
[beer commercial]
[car commercial]
"Upon review, the batter was out"
[beer commercial]
[car commercial]
[car insurance commercial]
[beer commercial]
ad infinitum

68 posted on 06/03/2010 9:14:21 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: Col Frank Slade
Instant replay for close home runs, foul balls, base running, fan interference, and stolen bases.

How about for balks, dropped third strikes, catcher interference, hit batsmen, runner interference (Reggie Jackson in '78 World Series)? Once you let the genie out of the bottle, there is no stop to it.
69 posted on 06/03/2010 9:15:16 AM PDT by Dr. Sivana (There is no salvation in politics)
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To: softwarecreator

I’m sure the Umpire is praying the call is reversed. Anybody think he wants to always be remembered for this?

If they reverse it, it goes away.


70 posted on 06/03/2010 9:15:53 AM PDT by Retired Greyhound
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To: Retired Greyhound; 1rudeboy; magritte; Jeff Chandler
re: Most calls are not in question. It would be used sparingly.

..... like impeaching illegal Kenyan "Presidents"?

71 posted on 06/03/2010 9:16:26 AM PDT by ICAB9USA (I lost part of my middle finger .......... it almost rendered me mute. -- Rahm Emanuel)
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To: magritte; Jeff Chandler
you can’t overturn calls post-game

Indeed you can.

July 24, 1983 the Yankess/Royals game was called as a Yankees victory by the umpire.

The league president overturned the result and the rest of the ninth inning was played over on August 18, 1983.

In that case, the umpire was technically correct in his call and no one argued that he had made a mistake.

The result was overturned because the league president decided that the call violated the "spirit" of the rules while technically being a good call.

In this incident, the call was clearly wrong and the umpire admits that he made a colossal blunder.

Unlike the 1983 game, overturning the call would not require the replaying of part of a game, it would not alter the game's score or disadvantage any team's ranking or affect the larger season and it would not entail any "spiritual" interpretation of the rules.

If baseball as we know it survived August 18, 1983 then it would survive a much less questionable review than that one.

72 posted on 06/03/2010 9:16:29 AM PDT by wideawake (Why is it that those who like to be called Constitutionalists know the least about the Constitution?)
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To: SeaHawkFan

NBA has the worst officiating of any sport hands down.

I would not try to model it.


73 posted on 06/03/2010 9:16:53 AM PDT by Retired Greyhound
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To: 1rudeboy

..... male performance enhancement product endorsement


74 posted on 06/03/2010 9:18:01 AM PDT by ICAB9USA (I lost part of my middle finger .......... it almost rendered me mute. -- Rahm Emanuel)
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To: ICAB9USA

It all depends.

If a player holds a “Race Card”, then what?

Or a “sexual orientation” card? What if he’s a white man?

The play must stand. It will get too confusing if overturnd.


75 posted on 06/03/2010 9:18:15 AM PDT by PA-RIVER
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To: magritte
you can’t overturn calls post-game....

Gallaraga (sp?) and the umpire will make the history books and forever be remembered as the guy who had his perfect game stolen by an umpire.

The other side of the coin is that he could have gone in the history books as just another guy who threw a perfect game that nobody will remember 10 years from now.

Knowing that I threw a perfect game that was stolen by an ump, I'll take the notoriety over the game anytime........

I saw the interview of Galaragga and he was a class act.. The umpire was a class act too because he searched out Galaragga later and apologized personally to him. He also conducted an interview with a radio station and he proceeded to blast himself. It sounded like he was also on the verge of tears.........he was really shook up.

76 posted on 06/03/2010 9:18:48 AM PDT by Hot Tabasco (Peanut butter was just peanut butter until I found Free Republic.........)
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To: Retired Greyhound
I think Bud should pull a two-fer:

Reverse the call, and give Galarraga his perfect game, AND reinstate Ernie Shore's perfect game.

77 posted on 06/03/2010 9:19:11 AM PDT by Night Hides Not (If Dick Cheney = Darth Vader, then Joe Biden = Dark Helmet)
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To: ICAB9USA

“Well, John, now that the ump has spent five minutes determining that it was a fair ball that went into the seats, he needs to spend five more minutes determining whether the runner who was at second base should be given home plate.”


78 posted on 06/03/2010 9:19:52 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: thesharkboy
I thought the pitcher bobbled the ball, but I guess I’m the only one who thinks that.

I saw what you saw.

It wasn't so much a "bobble" as it was the ball never getting seated properly in the glove until after the runner's foot hit the bag. But the umpire was in no position to see that even if he was quick enough to notice what we noticed on slo-mo replay. The umpire blew the call but he may have accidently blown the call right. It would depend on the strict definition for what constitutes a "catch" at first base.

In the outfield, for example, an umpire won't rule a "caught" fly ball an out until the ball is successfully transferred to the throwing hand. That rule has led to some really stupid calls and needs to be tuned.

79 posted on 06/03/2010 9:20:24 AM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: ICAB9USA

“impeaching illegal Kenyan “Presidents”? “

We can ALL agree on that.


80 posted on 06/03/2010 9:21:50 AM PDT by Retired Greyhound
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