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MLB deciding whether to review call
sports.espn.go.com ^ | 6/3/10 | u7nknown

Posted on 06/03/2010 8:49:00 AM PDT by ICAB9USA

NEW YORK -- Major League Baseball was still deciding Thursday morning whether to review the umpire's blown call that cost Detroit Tigers pitcher Armando Galarraga a perfect game.

Commissioner Bud Selig has the power to reverse umpire Jim Joyce's missed call that came with two outs in the ninth inning Wednesday night in Detroit. Joyce ruled Cleveland's Jason Donald safe, then admitted he got it wrong.

Selig would likely consult with his top advisers before making such a ruling. St. Louis Cardinals manager Tony La Russa says the call should be overturned.

Joyce was scheduled to be back at work Thursday afternoon, umpiring at home plate in the game between the Tigers and Indians.

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To: SeaHawkFan

Last week the NBA rescinded a bad Tech foul against Celtic Kendrick Perkins that would have suspended him from game 6 semi-finals.


161 posted on 06/03/2010 12:51:34 PM PDT by AU72
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To: TankerKC
re: What kind of scum bag would bother a guys family over...a game?

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All the batards who have screwed with Tiger's wife and family? Yes ... I know it wasn't exactly a game he was playing off the course ..... but .........

162 posted on 06/03/2010 12:51:46 PM PDT by ICAB9USA (I lost part of my middle finger .......... it almost rendered me mute. -- Rahm Emanuel)
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To: Marty62

I hear you.


163 posted on 06/03/2010 12:53:00 PM PDT by ICAB9USA (I lost part of my middle finger .......... it almost rendered me mute. -- Rahm Emanuel)
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To: CSM

Yes it should be. I hope the fans are cool!


164 posted on 06/03/2010 12:54:22 PM PDT by ICAB9USA (I lost part of my middle finger .......... it almost rendered me mute. -- Rahm Emanuel)
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To: CharacterCounts

It was the hapless Cleveland Indians the second worse team in baseball, of course they have trouble hitting and look like t-ballers. Like I said, Cleveland averages over 7 strikeouts a game, the guy got 3.

If it is going to be considered one of the 20 best games ever pitched on the reversal of an umpiring call, it should be.

Actually, I think part of the beauty of any sport is its fallibility. As long as the umpire is honest and tried his best, that is part of the game.

Following the logic of replay, if we don’t like it, we should just use computers for every call, remove the umps completely. I can’t think of any technological reason not too, technology is capable with a little tweaking. I personally would hate not being able to yell at the umps, who of course are blind as a bat!


165 posted on 06/03/2010 1:00:52 PM PDT by BushCountry ( I spoken many wise words in jest, but no comparsion to the number of stupid words spoken in earnest)
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To: CharacterCounts

I don’t think the runner would be looking at the catch, would he?


166 posted on 06/03/2010 1:21:22 PM PDT by thesharkboy (<-- Looking for the silver lining in every cloud, since 1998)
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To: Jeff Chandler; ICAB9USA; Sean Hannity; ml/nj; All
If they reverse an umpire's call after the game, then baseball as we know it is dead.

Exactly. Selig is a big-time leftist schmuck, and he's just likely to do it, because like all leftists, he has no respect for law or precedent, he merely wants to arrive at a feel-good outcome. And just like other leftists, he loves governing from the top down.

First, there is absolutely no precedent for reversing an umpire or umpiring crew's pure judgment call; the only calls that are possibly subject to reversal after the game is completed involve misapplications of the rules, and then only when the aggrieved team announces it is playing the game under protest at the point in the game when the controversy occurs.

Most importantly, the fact is that the outcome of the game was not affected at all by the bad call, unlike many other bad umpiring calls in the past. The score, as the game played out, was still 3-0 Detroit regardless of the call.

And if Selig reverses the play on the field, what else will this lead to? (What a hypocrite: he never did reverse any of Barry Bonds' steroid-aided home runs, nor any Giants' wins obtained as a result of them, did he?)

With all the bad officiating decisions that have take place in all competitive team sports over the years, this one ranks near the bottom of the list in terms of the consequences, because the the team that deserved to win did. There are always some lousy calls, because officials are human. This one is minuscule in importance because unlike many others I could name, it had absolutely no effect on which team won and which team lost, which should be the bottom line.

By overblowing this issue, the sports MSM, which is just as dumb and just as far left as the rest of the media, is demonstrating that it has little concept of what the ethic of competitive team sports should be about. They seem more concerned about making individual participants look good or bad than who won and who lost.

167 posted on 06/03/2010 1:35:59 PM PDT by justiceseeker93
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To: Labyrinthos

If you saw the play he was out on a routine play. Not even close. Last out of a perfect game. Come on a bad call? No way.

Come on this guy decided there were too many perfect games going on and did this knowing he was safe. arrogant ump had had enough of ‘unimpressive pitches like Braden and Galarraga tarnishing the legacy of the perfect game’.

Fire him after he is horse whipped.


168 posted on 06/03/2010 1:37:49 PM PDT by TJC
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To: justiceseeker93
I still think the up should be histoire. (He was behind the plate for today's game.) I think it would be hard to find ANY other blown call in the history of baseball and video tape that was so egregiously bad.

ML/NJ

169 posted on 06/03/2010 1:45:22 PM PDT by ml/nj
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To: Retired Greyhound
Replay is needed.

I disagree. Should every controversial or close call be replayed? No way. These games are much too long as they are, on average.

The better approach would be to get generally better umpiring. One idea would be a grading system where the lowest graded umpires would be returned to the minors at the end of the year and the top graded high minor league umpires promoted to fill their places.

I do agree with you that the "Cards call" in 1985 was one of the most significant bad calls in baseball history, in terms of the consequences of who won and who lost. In last night's controversy, that wasn't even an issue because the final score would still be the same regardless of the call.

170 posted on 06/03/2010 1:48:57 PM PDT by justiceseeker93
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To: ICAB9USA; All
The commissioner of baseball is a god-like position. He can simply announce that this is a one-time only ruling that should not be used cited [sic] as a precedent for any other ruling.

Be careful of what you wish for. It's dangerous for any organization, be it a government or a professional sport, to put anyone in a god-like position, yet alone some leftist like Obama or Selig, respectively. The result is inevitably tyranny and lack of fairness or justice!

171 posted on 06/03/2010 1:56:12 PM PDT by justiceseeker93
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To: justiceseeker93
Be careful of what you wish for. It's dangerous for any organization, be it a government or a professional sport, to put anyone in a god-like position, yet alone some leftist like Obama or Selig, respectively. The result is inevitably tyranny and lack of fairness or justice!

It's not a matter of wishing for it. It's been a fact of baseball since 1920, when Kenesaw Mountain Landis demanded, and was granted, unlimited authority over all aspects of organized baseball as a condition of accepting the job of commissioner.

He stayed in the job for 24 years, and nobody has ever redefined the office. Today's commissioner has the same powers the office has held for 90+ years.

172 posted on 06/03/2010 2:01:54 PM PDT by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: ml/nj
It would be hard to find ANY other blown call in the history of baseball and video tape that was so egregiously bad.

Puh-leeze, with all the games (each of 30 MLB teams has a 162 games schedule) and calls made in them, I can assure you there were plenty that were just as bad or worse, also worse in terms of the consequences. This was a reasonably close play, one that a good umpire may still get wrong perhaps 2% of the time. What they generally do at first base is to look for the runner's foot to hit the bag while at the same time listening for the ball to hit the fielder's glove. Rarely, even a good umpire will fail to hear that thump sound of the ball hitting the glove because of extraneous sounds in the environment. As I said, this one did not alter the final score, so the sports MSM is making a mountain out of molehill.

173 posted on 06/03/2010 2:14:32 PM PDT by justiceseeker93
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To: dead; ml/nj; All
I don't know where you got the historical info on Landis from, and I think you are exaggerating a bit when you speak of "unlimited authority over all aspects of organized baseball." I believe that they have a constitution and by-laws, although so did the USSR.

They gave Landis a lot of power in 1920, yes, but they knew that Landis, having been an honest federal judge (at least in so far as we know) could be entrusted to exercise his power judiciously. He wasn't foolish enough to alter the outcome of games played on the field. First of all, that was the power of the league presidents (whose offices have been abolished since Selig rose to power). Even so, games were reversed only in those very rare instances where there were misapplications of the rules by the umpires, not simply disputed judgements of balls or strikes, fair or foul, safe or out, and only when the aggrieved team announced it was playing under protest and filed a timely protest. This incident in Detroit last night was not a misapplication of the rules, merely an umpire's judgment call.

To compare Landis with Selig is like comparing a Mercedes with a Yugo. It's not quite as dangerous to hand a job with a lot of power to a seemingly decent man retiring from a federal judgeship than it is to hand the same job to a leftist nitwit who grew up in a car dealership (and who gives political contributions to the likes of Christopher Dodd). It would be reasonable for Landis to have a had lot more respect for the rule of law and precedent than Selig does.

174 posted on 06/03/2010 2:52:11 PM PDT by justiceseeker93
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To: justiceseeker93
C'mon Justice! I saw my first baseball game at the Polo Grounds in 1951. I was there in '54 when Mays made The Catch. I know what I'm talking about. Listen to the guy calling the game. How often does an announcer call the play before the umpire?

Sure, there have been and are plenty of bad calls made routinely (ignoring ball and strike calls), but usually it takes a slow motion video to demonstrate that the call was bad; or a timely still photo.

On close plays at first base there are two people who really know whether the runner was safe or out. In this case one of them was the pitcher. I'm surprised that he didn't go ballistic. The other was the runner. Take a look at the runner's face. Let me know if you've EVER seen a look like that on a guy's face who was called safe on a close play where he knew he was out.

ML/NJ

175 posted on 06/03/2010 2:53:50 PM PDT by ml/nj
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To: justiceseeker93
To compare Landis with Selig is like comparing a Mercedes with a Yugo.

Then it's a good thing nobody compared the two.

It's not quite as dangerous to hand a job with a lot of power to a seemingly decent man retiring from a federal judgeship than it is to hand the same job to a leftist nitwit who grew up in a car dealership (and who gives political contributions to the likes of Christopher Dodd).

That's fine, but can you please tell me who changed the powers of the office of the commissioner and when it happened? I don't recall it.

As far as I know, the baseball commissioner has the same powers he had 90+ years ago. You can think it should be different for Selig than Landis, but wishing it doesn't make it so.

176 posted on 06/03/2010 3:00:34 PM PDT by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: Vigilanteman
I don't see how you can award a hit based on a blown call.

It happens everyday. The blown call and the hit are already in the books. I'm only suggesting that the perfect pitched game part be corrected.

177 posted on 06/03/2010 3:49:32 PM PDT by Onelifetogive (Flame away...)
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To: justiceseeker93; Jeff Chandler; Sean Hannity; ml/nj; dfwgator; BelegStrongbow; Col Frank Slade; ...
By the way:

There were a couple people (not necessarily any of you) on this thread who have suggested that, no matter what happens (with Selig), this guy will have pitched the greatest one hitter ever.

Not so fast, let's not forget 'The Kitten', Harvey Haddix and his perfect 12 innings.

;-)

That was a gem.

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http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2520581/posts

The Greatest Game Ever Pitched

........ oh what a night that was back in '59.

178 posted on 06/04/2010 2:37:31 AM PDT by ICAB9USA (I lost part of my middle finger .......... it almost rendered me mute. -- Rahm Emanuel)
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To: ICAB9USA
But Haddix did not fare as well as any of the others, because he got an L on his record. That's the bottom line.
179 posted on 06/04/2010 7:27:21 AM PDT by justiceseeker93
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To: justiceseeker93

bottom line? BS!!!!


180 posted on 06/04/2010 7:28:46 AM PDT by ICAB9USA (I lost part of my middle finger .......... it almost rendered me mute. -- Rahm Emanuel)
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