Posted on 06/02/2010 12:05:35 PM PDT by i88schwartz
Seriously, I don't get it. I see so many anti-Israel and anti-Semitic posts on the internet. Why not love our only real ally in the middle east?
“Judicial Watch ^ | May, 2010 “
Bingo!!!
It is indeed when you can't see what is plainly the truth. Of course it can be explained rationally, but I doubt you would get that either, since you say you don't already know.
I’ll I know is Messianic Judiasm is growing..Many Gentile/Christian Churches are coming back to the roots of Judaism in the Christian faith. That is why so many Denominatoional Churches are failing...
What do Messianic Jews believe about the Messiah?
Many within today’s Jewish world either do not believe the Messiah has come or don’t know or care. Messianic Jews (like me) believe that the Messiah has come and that He is returning at the end of the prophetic period called the “Last Days”. He is known to Messianic Jews by His Hebrew name, Yeshua while the western world knows him in English as Jesus.
How do we know we are in the “Last Days”?
There are two significant prophetic events” that confirm with certainty that we are in the “Last Days”.
1. The Physical Restoration of the Nation of Israel: (ie the Jewish people being re-established in her original land grant) This event was prophesied over and over both in the Tenach (Old Testament) and in the Brit Chadasha (New Testament). This was only to happen in the “Last Days” and indeed this was fulfilled in 1948 after almost 2000 years of exile, with the re-establishment of the State of Israel. Significantly, this is the only time in history that a nation was disbursed from its original homeland and later restored to the very same homeland as a people. This was indeed a miraculous prophetic fulfillment.
2. The Spiritual Restoration of Israel: The Jewish prophets foretell a massive spiritual awakening will sweep the nation of Israel in the “Last Days” and move our people to a place of right relationship with God. I believe that Messianic Judaism also known as the Messianic Jewish Movement is that revival.
Why I believe Messianic Judaism is that revival?
In 1967 there were fewer than 2000 Messianic Jews in the US. Today that number, according to Jewish population studies in the US, estimates the number at between one to two million in the US alone. In 1967 there were zero Messianic synagogues and today there are over 700 worldwide and those numbers are increasing faster than anyone can keep track.
http://joelchernoff.wordpress.com/tag/messianic-jewish-movement/
Don’t the guy that actually runs the country - David Axelrod.
Pretty interesting stuff...wonder why they don’t just become regular Christians instead of holding a faith that, by definition, thinks Christians are following a false messiah...it would be like being a Communist Capitalist...magritte
Consequently, I can confidently assert that since 1967, Messianic Judaism is the fastest growing stream of Jewish religious life on the planet today. This movement is not the product of any person or organization but simply the work of God’s Spirit in fulfillment of prophecy according to God’s purposes and plans.
TJCR will specifically focus on events surrounding Israel, her allies and her enemies and bring a Messianic Jewish and prophetic perspective to those events.
For Messiah’s glory,
Joel Chernoff
What is a regular *Christian*
Gentiles did not know Christ
Gentiles did not walk and eat with Christ..
Gentiles did not go to Synagogue or celebrate the Passover with Christ
Gentiles did not spend hours and hours speaking with Christ
Gentiles did not witness all the Miracles done by Christ
Gentiles did not witness the Empty Tomb...(Well Roman Guards did)
Who did? The JEWS.....
I can see it going back to the days of Abraham, although I think Ishmael and Isaac came together to bury Abraham. But I don’t see how it goes into the Garden of Eden since no one but Adam and Eve were in the Garden unless you are counting the Serpent. And if you are counting the serpent, then you have to go back further to when the Son of the Morning was cast out of heaven after rebelling against the Father.
With few exceptions, the answer appears to be "no."
He did no such thing. If you can't see the Final Solution is for Islam to destroy all Israel, to the detriment of the world, then you are either a Muslim or a fool.
State you purpose for the question, fully. Maybe you will get an answer, but I doubt one exists that would satisfy your obvious world view.
That is how it all started *Chaos* Satan thought he was GOD
Created the first lie and convinced 1/3 of Angels in the Divine Realm to believe his lie. He created envy, jealousy,and the corruptible Adam.....
GOD’s *Prime Creator’s intention was to create us immmortal.
I can see it going back to the days of Abraham, although I think Ishmael and Isaac came together to bury Abraham. But I don’t see how it goes into the Garden of Eden since no one but Adam and Eve were in the Garden unless you are counting the Serpent.
That's why I pointed to Post #110 ... as it explained it that way ... :-)
We see that the Bible refers to Satan as the one in the Garden of Eden. So, we've got the serpent identified as Satan.
And the "coming one" is the one who is going to crush Satan, so immediately you've got your "enmity" (as it was clearly stated back then, too -- as "emnity").
At the time, it wasn't known (i.e., it had not been "revealed" yet) that the "coming one" was going to be a Jew, but it was known that He was going to be a man. So, at first Satan's hatred and persecution was aimed at mankind in general and done in such a way as to destroy all of mankind, to prevent the coming one, from arriving.
That's why we had the world-wide flood, because of what Satan and his fallen angels did before the flood.
BUT, once God "revealed" that His promise was coming through Abraham, then the Satanically inspired persecution shifted to that focus. And when Satan found out through God's revealed word that it was also coming from the line of Isaac, he shifted his focus even more specifically.
And then, when Satan found out, through God's revealed and inspired Word, that it was coming through Jacob, and thus, the sons of Israel, that's where Satan focused his persecution down to that nation and the Jews.
And if you are counting the serpent, then you have to go back further to when the Son of the Morning was cast out of heaven after rebelling against the Father.
Well, Satan was not cast out at the time of the Garden of Eden. He was not cast out at the time when we see Job described. Satan had access to heaven at that time and was not cast out.
In the New Testament, after Jesus was here and then when He was taken back up to Heaven, we even see in the New Testament writings that Satan still had access to Heaven, as he is described as accusing the brethren, just like he did in the book of Job. He is described as still doing the same thing in the New Testament. So, he's got the same access as before.
BUT, in the book of Revelation, we see at the midpoint of the Tribulation that Satan and the angels who followed him are cast out at that time. That's when he knows his time is short and since he's been cast down to earth at that time, he goes out to seriously persecute Israel and they flee into the wilderness where God protects them for the last 3-1/2 years of the Tribulation.
Excellent synopsis
I am with you to a point, I think. It sounds like you believe Adam was created by Satan. Satan did not create Adam. Adam was created by God and was incorruptible (i.e., deathless) until he yielded to Satan’s temptation, hence The Fall, from incorruptible to corruptible, subject to death. But I don’t believe our current situation is somehow God’s Plan B, Plan A having been ruined by Satan. Satan did his part but God had anticipated it and prepared an escape for His immortal children. God all along intended us to have a mortal life where we could prove our loyalty to Him without being forced to do so.
Pretty interesting stuff...wonder why they don’t just become regular Christians instead of holding a faith that, by definition, thinks Christians are following a false messiah...it would be like being a Communist Capitalist...magritte
Ummmm ... if you're talking about "Messianic Jews" ... they don't hold "a faith that, by definition, thinks Christians are following a false messiah".
Not at all ... Messianic Jews believe in the very same Messiah of Israel as the Christians do.
HOWEVER, if you're talking about the other Jews (those who are not Messianic Jews), then I'll let the Apostle Paul speak to that ...
Romans Chapter 11 1 I say then, has God cast away His people? Certainly not! For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin. 2 God has not cast away His people whom He foreknew. Or do you not know what the Scripture says of Elijah, how he pleads with God against Israel, saying, 3 "Lord, they have killed Your prophets and torn down Your altars, and I alone am left, and they seek my life"? 4 But what does the divine response say to him? "I have reserved for Myself seven thousand men who have not bowed the knee to Baal." 5 Even so then, at this present time there is a remnant according to the election of grace. 6 And if by grace, then it is no longer of works; otherwise grace is no longer grace. But if it is of works, it is no longer grace; otherwise work is no longer work. 7 What then? Israel has not obtained what it seeks; but the elect have obtained it, and the rest were blinded. 8 Just as it is written: "God has given them a spirit of stupor, Eyes that they should not see And ears that they should not hear, To this very day." 9 And David says: "Let their table become a snare and a trap, A stumbling block and a recompense to them. 10 Let their eyes be darkened, so that they do not see, And bow down their back always." 11 I say then, have they stumbled that they should fall? Certainly not! But through their fall, to provoke them to jealousy, salvation has come to the Gentiles. 12 Now if their fall is riches for the world, and their failure riches for the Gentiles, how much more their fullness! 13 For I speak to you Gentiles; inasmuch as I am an apostle to the Gentiles, I magnify my ministry, 14 if by any means I may provoke to jealousy those who are my flesh and save some of them. 15 For if their being cast away is the reconciling of the world, what will their acceptance be but life from the dead? 16 For if the firstfruit is holy, the lump is also holy; and if the root is holy, so are the branches. 17 And if some of the branches were broken off, and you, being a wild olive tree, were grafted in among them, and with them became a partaker of the root and fatness of the olive tree, 18 do not boast against the branches. But if you do boast, remember that you do not support the root, but the root supports you. 19 You will say then, "Branches were broken off that I might be grafted in." 20 Well said. Because of unbelief they were broken off, and you stand by faith. Do not be haughty, but fear. 21 For if God did not spare the natural branches, He may not spare you either. 22 Therefore consider the goodness and severity of God: on those who fell, severity; but toward you, goodness, if you continue in His goodness. Otherwise you also will be cut off. 23 And they also, if they do not continue in unbelief, will be grafted in, for God is able to graft them in again. 24 For if you were cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and were grafted contrary to nature into a cultivated olive tree, how much more will these, who are natural branches, be grafted into their own olive tree? 25 For I do not desire, brethren, that you should be ignorant of this mystery, lest you should be wise in your own opinion, that blindness in part has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in. 26 And so all Israel will be saved, as it is written: "The Deliverer will come out of Zion, And He will turn away ungodliness from Jacob; 27 For this is My covenant with them, When I take away their sins." 28 Concerning the gospel they are enemies for your sake, but concerning the election they are beloved for the sake of the fathers. 29 For the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable. 30 For as you were once disobedient to God, yet have now obtained mercy through their disobedience, 31 even so these also have now been disobedient, that through the mercy shown you they also may obtain mercy. 32 For God has committed them all to disobedience, that He might have mercy on all. 33 Oh, the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! How unsearchable are His judgments and His ways past finding out! 34 "For who has known the mind of the Lord? Or who has become His counselor?" 35 "Or who has first given to Him And it shall be repaid to him?" 36 For of Him and through Him and to Him are all things, to whom be glory forever. Amen.
Oh really, is that why we said we couldn't find that defense agreement we had when Israel was attacked by their neighbors? You know the one where we persuaded Israel to give up land and we would defend them against attack?
And no, I don't believe that the USA is the "lost tribes" or a special, elect chr*stian nation of any sort.
Oh, don't worry, there are a whole bunch of Christians who don't think that Israel is an elect nation either ... LOL ...
However, I'm not in that group of Christians, I think it's like the Apostle Paul says in that "all Israel will be saved" when they see the coming Messiah of Israel returning to set up the Millennial Kingdom on earth, and when He will be seated at the Throne of David, in Israel, ruling over all the nations of the world. It's that same Messiah of Israel that I'm talking about now, too ...
There are other Christians who dispute with me on this -- not to say a whole bunch of Jews who will dispute with me on this one too ... :-)
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