When did the M4 replace the M16 as the standard battle rifle?
To: too_cool_for_skool
2 posted on
05/22/2010 12:00:50 PM PDT by
Ken522
To: too_cool_for_skool
Give them back the Browning Automatic Rifle, the M-14, and the M-60.
3 posted on
05/22/2010 12:00:56 PM PDT by
SandRat
(Duty, Honor, Country! What else needs said?)
To: too_cool_for_skool
This story seems to get dragged out once very six months
4 posted on
05/22/2010 12:03:03 PM PDT by
big'ol_freeper
("Anyone pushing Romney must love socialism...Piss on Romney and his enablers!!" ~ Jim Robinson)
To: too_cool_for_skool
Bring back the M14 again. The Garand can fire more rounds per minute than the M14 and it is 30-06. Did they take away the 50BMG? I saw a video of a Hummer with a 50BMG mini gun that fired at the M2 rate and then over 3000 rounds per minute. It sure rocked the Hummer.
5 posted on
05/22/2010 12:03:06 PM PDT by
mountainlion
(concerned conservative.)
To: too_cool_for_skool
Just tell them to get the Israeli Galil. That thing takes a beating in the desert and keeps on shooting.
6 posted on
05/22/2010 12:04:10 PM PDT by
Jack Hydrazine
(It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
To: too_cool_for_skool
For close in work nothing beats a Thompson.BAR with a cut down barrel aint bad either.
8 posted on
05/22/2010 12:07:51 PM PDT by
HANG THE EXPENSE
(Life is tough.It's tougher when you're stupid.)
To: too_cool_for_skool
When targets presents themselves at very long ranges of fields of fire the M4s will be inadequate.
9 posted on
05/22/2010 12:08:06 PM PDT by
Red Steel
To: too_cool_for_skool
The M1 Garand did pretty well in the hills and mountains of Italy in WW2... And had a good power punch.. Ok I am biased.. I love my Garand.
11 posted on
05/22/2010 12:10:08 PM PDT by
crazydad
(What)
To: too_cool_for_skool
I’d be happy to let em try out my Socom .308...
12 posted on
05/22/2010 12:11:47 PM PDT by
skeeter
To: too_cool_for_skool
I love the M-4. It’s so much better for someone like me with short little arms.
17 posted on
05/22/2010 12:13:58 PM PDT by
ViLaLuz
(2 Chronicles 7:14)
To: too_cool_for_skool
Stories about weapons generate lots of responses on FR.
Maybe some of you gun experts can comment on this. I'm not any type of expert of this but from what I've have read is there is no perfect type of rifle for our soldiers. A rifle that's ideal for one environment is not necessarily best for all environments. That seems common sense.
The M14 was very heavy and not suited to many environments but seems ideal for Afghanistan. But if my memory serves me correctly, didn't Bill Clinton order large amounts of these weapons destroyed by executive order? It seems I read this somewhere. These weapons were safe and secure in armories on military bases. They were as safe as the gold in Ft. Know. Now we need them for Afghanistan and we don't have enough. Is this correct or am I prematurely senile?
19 posted on
05/22/2010 12:24:04 PM PDT by
truthguy
(Good intentions are not enough!)
To: too_cool_for_skool
WOW! it only took 44 years to admit that the Poodle Shooter is nothing more than a top of the line varmit plinker!
How many American lives have been lost since 1966 because of the foolish decision to abandon the .308 M-14 and go with the .223?
If you want to get your blood boiling read the history of the big money, insider influence, and cover ups of operational defects that lead to the adoption of the AR-15/M-16/M-4 Poodle Shooters.
As in everything else related to the Federal Government, if you want the truth just follow the money.
24 posted on
05/22/2010 12:29:22 PM PDT by
Iron Munro
("You can't kill the beast while sucking at its teat" - - Claire Wolfe)
To: too_cool_for_skool
We need something in .308.
To: too_cool_for_skool
41 posted on
05/22/2010 1:17:52 PM PDT by
edcoil
(RAGE AGAINST THE MACHINE.)
To: too_cool_for_skool
I really don't understand the mentality of people who buy AR-15 variants. You'll be able to pick up 10 of those off the ground for every guy on the other side who starts with a single .308.
Frowning takes 68 muscles.
Smiling takes 6.
Pulling this trigger takes 2.
I'm lazy.
45 posted on
05/22/2010 1:36:54 PM PDT by
The Comedian
(Evil can only succeed if good men don't point at it and laugh.)
To: too_cool_for_skool
I believe you can count the Talibans still using Enfields on the fingers of one hand. During the Russian war it made much more sense to equip your side with a rifle that could use the magazines and ammunition of the enemy.
In Steve Coll’s “Ghost Wars” he writes that in the eighties the Chicoms were making money hand-over-fist manufacturing their Type 56 AK clone to be purchased with CIA money and shipped to the Muj.
56 posted on
05/22/2010 4:10:18 PM PDT by
sinanju
To: too_cool_for_skool
64 posted on
05/22/2010 6:20:07 PM PDT by
ExSoldier
(Democracy is 2 wolves and a lamb voting on dinner. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote.)
To: too_cool_for_skool
For later read.
Never understood the wisdom in using a round considered underpowered for deer.
72 posted on
05/22/2010 9:56:37 PM PDT by
redgolum
("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
To: too_cool_for_skool
When did an AK-47 develope a greater effective range than an M-4?
73 posted on
05/22/2010 9:56:44 PM PDT by
sig226
(Mourn this day, the death of a great republic. March 21, 2010)
To: too_cool_for_skool
This entire disussion is based on the idea we desire to hit, injure or kill then enemy.
That is at odds with the idea of a medal for NOT hitting, injuring or killing the enemy.
We don’t have a consistent name for the enemy, or even complete commitment to the idea we have enemies.
In half the time we have been “fighting” after 9-11-2001 the United States, had over 16 million citizens in the military, defeated Germany, Italy and Japan.
And they have stayed defeated, because we killed enemy soldiers, sailors, airmen and civilians until we achieved unconditional surrender.
Something we aren’t even close to doing, in the new America.
Since WWII about the only war we have won, where the enemy stayed surrendered was Grenada.
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