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Something Odd Is Happening Outside Moscow
The Strategy Page ^ | 5/14/2010 | The Strategy Page

Posted on 05/16/2010 11:54:05 PM PDT by ErnstStavroBlofeld

Three years after the first foreign customer (Syria) received the Pantsir-S1 anti-aircraft systems, the Russian Air Force is getting some. The Russian Air Force recently received the S1E version, with an improved radar (36 kilometer range) and missile (more reliable). Curiously, the air force is using their first ten Pantsir-S1s to guard S-300 anti-aircraft missile bases located around Moscow. There was no explanation from the Russians as to why they felt a mobile, low level anti-aircraft system was needed to guard a larger, high altitude one. Perhaps additional protection against cruise missiles. The Russians aren't saying. These ten vehicles were supposed to arrive two years ago, but there were more technical problems. There's been a pattern of that with Pantsir-S1. Development began in the 1990s, but was sporadic for nearly a decade because there was no money. Meanwhile. several Arab nations have been persuaded to order a total of 150-200 Pantsir-S1 vehicles.

Pantsir-S1 is a mobile system, each vehicle carries radar, two 30mm cannon and twelve Tunguska missiles. The 90 kg (198 pound) missiles have a twenty kilometer range, the radar a 30 kilometer range. The missile can hit targets at up to 8,400 meters (26,000 feet). The 30mm cannon is effective up to 3,200 meters (10,000 feet). The vehicle can vary, but the most common one carrying all this weighs 20 tons, and has a crew of three. Each Pantsir-S1 vehicle costs about $15 million.

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: abm; airdefense; antiaircraft; antiaircraftmissile; missiledefense; moscow; moscowairdefense; pantsyr; russia; russianairforce; russianmilitary; s300; s400; sa22; sam
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To: spetznaz

My son said to me awhile ago that if they have to fly into Iran and face a certain radar/missile system (did not name it, only referred to it obliquely) their only defense might be to pull the eject handle.

Is this what he was referring to?


21 posted on 05/17/2010 5:13:59 AM PDT by Sigurdrifta
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To: Sigurdrifta
I believe he was referring to the S-400 missile system that this missile system is designed to protect.

One is a long range sniper rifle, the other is a sawed-off shotgun.

22 posted on 05/17/2010 6:13:56 AM PDT by Yo-Yo (Is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
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To: Yo-Yo

The big threat today is a hijacked airliner.


23 posted on 05/17/2010 6:20:48 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: Greysard

They also have deployed Tor M-1’s around Moscow as an intermediate measure.

BTW, they are deploying these things in St. Petersburg. Belarus is supposed to get some for Minsk, too.


24 posted on 05/17/2010 7:15:27 AM PDT by Thunder90 (Fighting for truth and the American way... http://citizensfortruthandtheamericanway.blogspot.com/)
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To: puppypusher

Russia is only building these to confront the US and NATO.


25 posted on 05/17/2010 7:19:52 AM PDT by Thunder90 (Fighting for truth and the American way... http://citizensfortruthandtheamericanway.blogspot.com/)
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To: sonofstrangelove
Answer is simple and logical.
S-300 and S-400 are lethal and sophisticated, and only way that they can be destroyed is by low-level-just over-ground attack by jets.

There fore they are guarded by Pantsyr making them virtually untouchable

26 posted on 05/17/2010 7:22:40 AM PDT by kronos77 (Kosovo is Serbian Jerusalem. No Serbia without Kosovo.)
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To: Yo-Yo

I am almost certain your son was speaking of the S300/400 system (their NATO reporting names are SA 10, SA 12, and SA 20). Those are the only enemy systems that would make a USAF/USN military person saythe only objective in a bad position would be to pull the eject handle. Some are calling it junk, but the US and Israeli military do NOT consider it junk one bit. When you talk to your son ask him ...I’ll bet an FR donation that he is 100% talking about the S300/400 (SA 10,12,20).


27 posted on 05/17/2010 8:55:45 AM PDT by spetznaz (Nuclear-tipped Ballistic Missiles: The Ultimate Phallic Symbol)
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To: spetznaz; Sigurdrifta
Sorry Yoyo ...my post number 27 was meant for Sigurdrifta. Thanks. Spetz
28 posted on 05/17/2010 8:59:29 AM PDT by spetznaz (Nuclear-tipped Ballistic Missiles: The Ultimate Phallic Symbol)
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To: kronos77

‘Answer is simple and logical.
S-300 and S-400 are lethal and sophisticated, and only way that they can be destroyed is by low-level-just over-ground attack by jets.

There fore they are guarded by Pantsyr making them virtually untouchable’

There is no 100% effective system. Do not overestimate it.
At the same time underestimateng it is dumb too.


29 posted on 05/17/2010 10:22:34 AM PDT by cunning_fish
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