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To: BroJoeK
And your scientific reference for this is what?

Physorg's take

CreationdotOrg's take

Now comes a further announcement by Schweitzer and others, in the prestigious journal Science, of substantial additional evidence to bolster her previous findings.7 The specimen on this occasion was a piece of fossil hadrosaur (duckbilled dinosaur) bone (Brachylophosaurus canadensis) regarded by evolutionary assumptions as being 80 million years old.

In short, the researchers found evidence of “the same fibrous matrix, transparent, flexible vessels, and preserved microstructures she had seen in the T. rex sample”.8 Only this time they went to exceptional lengths to silence critics.

Critics said that her claims, which given the millions of years perspective are indeed “extraordinary”, required extraordinary evidence. But this is a cliché; in reality, they just require evidence, and that has been amply provided. Yet the critics demanded additional protein sequencing, super-careful handling to avoid claims of contamination, and confirmation from other laboratories. So Schweitzer and her team set about doing just that when they looked at the leg bone of this hadrosaur encased in sandstone.

Extraordinary measures were taken to keep the sample away from contamination until it reached the lab. They used an even more sophisticated and newer mass spectrometer, and sent the samples to two other labs for confirmation. They reported finding not just collagen, but evidence of two additional proteins—elastin and laminin. They also found structures uncannily resembling the cells found in both blood and bone, as well as cellular basement membrane matrix. And there were, once again, hints of hemoglobin, gleaned from applying hemoglobin-specific antibodies to the structures and seeing if the antibodies would bind to them.

Note that establishment scientists like those at Physorg are still trying to claim that this kind of soft tissue is somehow or other magically preserved over tens of millions of years, but NO competent scientists are still putting out the sort of garbage which the one cretin posted above claiming that the material is inorganic.

106 posted on 05/19/2010 7:45:28 PM PDT by wendy1946
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To: wendy1946
"Note that establishment scientists like those at Physorg are still trying to claim that this kind of soft tissue is somehow or other magically preserved over tens of millions of years, "

Nothing "magical" about it: if organic material is sealed off from outside influences -- i.e. bacteria which eat the stuff -- then there is no limit to how long it can remain intact.
The example of bacteria sealed in salt deposits is a case in point.

But I should point out that your full quote above says just what I said previously: they found bits of collagen, and possibly some other organic materials, including maybe even remains of hemoglobin.

This is a very far cry from saying they found dino-cell-tissue or blood, much less DNA.

And clearly, there is still a lot to be disputed here.
So I'd say, to date those results are very interesting, but far from answering all the questions.

And now that dino-diggers know these sorts of things are possible, I'm certain they will be looking for more examples in the future.
Eventually, we'll see how close future findings come to matching these results.

109 posted on 05/20/2010 1:39:31 PM PDT by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective...)
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