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To: mkjessup
We enter the world literally as innocent as babes.

I'd say that Original Sin puts a stain on even that.

But even if not, I know that Original Sin has cursed us all with at least a proclivity towards sinful temptations; some folks may have a weakness for the Demon Bottle (perhaps I may have tippled a little, in my own youth), while other folks may suffer from some degree of Same-Sex Attraction Disorder. It wouldn't surprise me if some of these predispositions do manifest genetically; what I object to is the phrase "hard-wired". Wha-huh? Whatever happened to individual choice, to Human Free Will? We're born with individual tendencies, individual weaknesses; but we each choose our own courses of action, throughout the day.

And I say that as a Calvinist myself, so I have no problem with strongly Predestinarian beliefs or thinking; but the extremity of determinism suggested by the advocates of genetic homosexuality is disturbing. For the sake of observing that some of our individual tendencies may have a genetic component, a bit of hereditary weakness or what have you, they'd throw out all the importance of environmental factors, and just plain individual choices, and reduce Human Free Will essentially to the level of the robotic. Now THAT'S the kind of thinking on this subject to which I do object.

645 posted on 05/14/2010 5:21:14 AM PDT by Christian_Capitalist (Taxation over 10% is Tyranny -- 1 Samuel 8:17)
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To: Christian_Capitalist; mkjessup
RE :”But even if not, I know that Original Sin has cursed us all with at least a proclivity towards sinful temptations; ... Wha-huh? Whatever happened to individual choice, to Human Free Will? We're born with individual tendencies, individual weaknesses; but we each choose our own courses of action, throughout the day.

Back in the 1950s to 1960s or so there was a national discussion on discrimination in the USA. What was decided was that government as well as private businesses were not allowed to discriminate based on race. The moral argument was made that race was something you were ‘born’ with.

But recently starting ~ 2001 after Clinton was safely gone they started using the same arguments for homosexual behavior, defining individuals as a protected class based on their specific sexual desire. But you cant prove desire, so effectively a specific behavior is what is protected not a human. Note that you cant tell your secretary that you like her behind shape in public and expect to be protected by ‘sexual orientation’ protections legally. It's a scam.

653 posted on 05/14/2010 5:49:43 AM PDT by sickoflibs ( "It's not the taxes, the redistribution is the federal spending=tax delayed")
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To: Christian_Capitalist; sickoflibs; mkjessup; stephenjohnbanker
good post C_C...

as an alcoholic, whether or not i was 'born' that way doesnt really concern me...the fact is that my lack of recognition of the Holiness of the Lord resulted in my taking a drink, which was essential to discover the full effects of my sinfulness...

born a sinner, will die a sinner, and the only remedy is to accept the work of the Lord in cleansing me everyday...

if someone is 'hardwired' queer, they still have a choice of abstinance, just the same as the unmarried hetero is commanded to do...

easier said than done ??? well duh, but it is commanded, therefore no amount of sugarcoating or legislating will change the Truth...

even in my hetero marriage to a truly beautiful woman, I still fail everyday to live up to my marriage as the reflection of Christ and His Church, but I grow better at it everyday by seeking that Truth and practicing it with repentence...

my .02

694 posted on 05/14/2010 7:34:55 AM PDT by Gilbo_3 (Gov is not reason; not eloquent; its force.Like fire,a dangerous servant & master. George Washington)
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